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Hi Kar,
I'm glad you excluded “atheists” and non Christians. t8's design of separating the believers from the non was a good one. Just look at what Adam's thread about original sin has become now.
I'm thankful we don't have to fend off Stu's comments in the believers threads. He crossed an emotional line with me by calling God a “petulant monster”. I won't discourse with this man any more.
I didn't mind the light hearted “imaginary friend” stuff. But we wouldn't call his son a stupid little freak of nature or his wife a two dollar whore. He apparently doesn't realize that to us, God is as real and as loved as his son and wife are to him. These hurtful words about OUR Father are as unnecessary as us slinging hurtful words about his earthly father.
Anyway, for Adam:
You say you don't believe in the virgin birth, but you DO believe the OT. Ed has posted this scripture for you:
Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.Any comment?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 28 2011,04:40) Hi Kar, I'm glad you excluded “atheists” and non Christians. t8's design of separating the believers from the non was a good one.
I'm thankful we don't have to fend off Stu's comments in the believers threads. He crossed an emotional line with me by calling God a “petulant monster”. I won't discourse with this man any more.
I didn't mind the light hearted “imaginary friend” stuff. But we wouldn't call his son a stupid little freak of nature or his wife a two dollar whore. He apparently doesn't realize that to us, God is as real and as loved as his son and wife are to him. These hurtful words about OUR Father are as unnecessary as us slinging hurtful words about his earthly father.
mispostHi Everyone,
Here is Adam's response…
Thank you brother Ed for such information. But I don't want to argue with any of you
on any matter of Christianity and Bible. I do visit Heaven.net for latest updates on my favorite topics.
I am sorry for not participating in any debates. I am happy with this type of silence.
God is giving me peace. Please convey my greetings to all at Heaven.net.
Peace to you
Adam…God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI must say though that Adam was one of the best mannared and peacefull people I have seen here!
God bless you Adam and your family.
Well in the short time I have been reading and posting on heaven net you have rejected Bod, Stu, and now Adam. Whose next to raise our ire and be given the left foot of fellowship.This is getting more like the churches I remember. Bod and Adam were both full of good knowledge and peaceful presentation. I learned from them. Now I am limited to those who are left on HN. Soon there will be only babies. If a man cusses God or holds the anger inside its the same. His responsibility, not ours. If we ever learn what love truly is we will understand.
God doesn't get pi..ed off like people do. Just remember this time. You will reap what you sow. You all have sown restriction of expression to a brother. Your time will come that you will be restricted from speaking your truth. We reap what we sow. IMO, TK
Adam and Bod if by chance you read this, you are welcome at my table in my house, always!! Beware though, you may have to eat with publicans and sinners, they are my friends too! God Bless you, TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 02 2011,21:28) Adam and Bod if by chance you read this, you are welcome at my table in my house, always!! Beware though, you may have to eat with publicans and sinners, they are my friends too! God Bless you, TK
Hi Tim,Do you welcome me as well?
I would like to hear Tim's answer to that question also, Ed.
Plus, who was Tim raging against anyway? Who is this one who has “rejected Bod, Stu, and now Adam”? He didn't address the post to anyone in particular.
Tim, who were you talking about?
mike
Mike,
I noticed some off topic posting but actually it is the moderators job to correct that.
I believe a moderator can do several things to do so including copying posts to the apropriate are and directing poster to post in the origional thread.
A PM warning to anyone still persisting in posting in the old thread after they are informed of the need to obey the rules and post in the apropriate threads.
I found Adam's question very enlightening just because it leads be to study the old testiment scriptures to find if what Paul said was true. After all scripture calls the Beareans noble for doing that. It also enables me to test the spirit of what I and others believe since I understand scripture more completely.
Adam's skepticism is irrelevant to my search and my learning as a student of Jesus as he is not my teacher.
I agree that keeping posters on topic is a diciplined idea.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2011,23:31) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 02 2011,21:28) Adam and Bod if by chance you read this, you are welcome at my table in my house, always!! Beware though, you may have to eat with publicans and sinners, they are my friends too! God Bless you, TK
Hi Tim,Do you welcome me as well?
Ed: You are more than welcome at my table, anytime, anywhere. I would ask you not to whip me with scriptures and insert my name as though the scripture was intended for me and many time quote me in blatant error. You fail by not using phrases like IN my opinion or as I see it or i think this way etc. Believe me when I say, You do not yet know it all and you seemingly have no compunction about taking scriptures out of context to do your whiping. Mark went along with you and began to condemn me for many things that weren't stated the way he stated them. I am only here to learn and further my Godly education, PERIOD! Bless you, TKQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 03 2011,12:08) I would like to hear Tim's answer to that question also, Ed. Plus, who was Tim raging against anyway? Who is this one who has “rejected Bod, Stu, and now Adam”? He didn't address the post to anyone in particular.
Tim, who were you talking about?
mike
My response was to “cutting athiests and “non-christians” as good.Anyone can prove to their satisfaction, any position they choose to believe in. Even that there is no God. And you sure can't PROVE there is one!
Non-christian is a real joke. I'm not sure I've ever met what I call a true christian. The term came from: Christ-like or those who are like Christ. I actually find a completely distorted and confused so called Christian Faith.Everyone building on everybody elses docrtines and a tweak here and a tweak there and presto, Gods word. I would prefer to know the truth of a Christ like person than to follow what I have seen in the Christian churches. Lifeless, powerless, rule mongers!
You come to the table with Ed, Mike well have some fun.
Maybe someday! Bless you and yours, TKQuote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 04 2011,02:10) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 02 2011,23:31) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 02 2011,21:28) Adam and Bod if by chance you read this, you are welcome at my table in my house, always!! Beware though, you may have to eat with publicans and sinners, they are my friends too! God Bless you, TK
Hi Tim,Do you welcome me as well?
Ed: You are more than welcome at my table, anytime, anywhere. I would ask you not to whip me with scriptures and insert my name as though the scripture was intended for me and many time quote me in blatant error. You fail by not using phrases like IN my opinion or as I see it or i think this way etc. Believe me when I say, You do not yet know it all and you seemingly have no compunction about taking scriptures out of context to do your whiping. Mark went along with you and began to condemn me for many things that weren't stated the way he stated them. I am only here to learn and further my Godly education, PERIOD! Bless you, TK
Hi Tim,I thought you said there were 'no rules' and that rules are sin?
You believe God's rules (according to Tim) are sin, but not yours?
Aren't you being hypocritical? Shouldn't I be able to do what I want?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 03 2011,09:25) My response was to “cutting athiests and “non-christians” as good.
Hi Tim,I had nothing to do with “banning” Adam to the sceptics section. That move was performed by the one who started this forum, owns the site, and runs things here. Although, I do wholeheartedly agree with his decision.
And I don't know anything about Adam, Stu or Bod being banned entirely from this site, if that's what you implied.
Tim, I don't want to be in a heated discussion about whether or not Matt 28:19 proves a trinity, and have to deal with Stu spouting off about our “imaginary friend”. I also don't want to deal with Adam dismissing the issue entirely because “the NT was not inspired of God, but written by men who were inspired by Greek mythology and Gnostics”.
If he is a Jew who's still waiting for the Messiah, then he can join a Jewish site…………or discuss his beliefs with those who are interested – in a NON-CHRISTIAN section of this site.
I have no personal problem with Bod or Adam, and never have.
And Stu is welcome to his own opinions about God, but when he calls our heavenly Father a “petulant monster” who needs OUR forgiveness for what He's done, I draw a line.
I have nothing more to say to that man. But you feel free to discuss anything you like with him…………….IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION of this site.
It is t8's site, and these are his rules. I agree with them and stand by them. Lodge your complaints and suggestions with him, for I can do nothing about it.
mike
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2011,05:00) Mike, I noticed some off topic posting but actually it is the moderators job to correct that.
Hi Kerwin,The moderators don't read every post in every thread. We need the help of everyone. If you notice a post that is off topic, click the “report post” link at the bottom of the post.
Put in a quick note that the post is off topic, and we'll see the report and deal with it.
I only have two eyes!
Thanks for your input, K.mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2011,06:29) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2011,05:00) Mike, I noticed some off topic posting but actually it is the moderators job to correct that.
Hi Kerwin,The moderators don't read every post in every thread. We need the help of everyone. If you notice a post that is off topic, click the “report post” link at the bottom of the post.
Put in a quick note that the post is off topic, and we'll see the report and deal with it.
I only have two eyes!
Thanks for your input, K.mike
To all,Mike has a good point here.
I admit I am prone to post what is considered off post as much as anyone else but for the smoothly functioning of the board the moderators get the last say on what is off topic and need to be posted to a new thread.
We should try to politely encourage otherw posters to address the matter themselves first and then let the moderator know in order to keep the workload of the moderators. If they do not heed our advice then we inform the moderator to let them make the call.
To help them we need to let them know when a we percieve a post is off the topic of the thread and let them make the call.
Tim Kraft,
You can prove there is a God by just looking at the fact that living creatures are robots more advanced than anything we currently make. Their specific Blue Print is part of their “ROM” and each human being is an individual model.
Robots are artifacts and designed by an intelligent entity(s) that one can choose to call God or gods.
From my experience proving who God is or that their is only one God is more difficult. It may be doable but I do not know how unless one is predisposed to believe already.
It does not care as some human being deceive themselves into believing what they want even if the evidence contradicts them.
To All! I found it unfair to ban kejonnn some time ago, because He did not believe Jesus was the Messiah of the new Test. and so did Adam. Stu was and is a Atheist. t8 created the Skeptic section for that purpose. And I agree with His decision. I have nothing against Adam as a person. And He can come to my House for Family day any time. We don't discuss Scriptures on Family day.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2011,11:26) Quote (Tim Kraft @ Mar. 03 2011,09:25) My response was to “cutting athiests and “non-christians” as good.
Hi Tim,I had nothing to do with “banning” Adam to the sceptics section. That move was performed by the one who started this forum, owns the site, and runs things here. Although, I do wholeheartedly agree with his decision.
And I don't know anything about Adam, Stu or Bod being banned entirely from this site, if that's what you implied.
Tim, I don't want to be in a heated discussion about whether or not Matt 28:19 proves a trinity, and have to deal with Stu spouting off about our “imaginary friend”. I also don't want to deal with Adam dismissing the issue entirely because “the NT was not inspired of God, but written by men who were inspired by Greek mythology and Gnostics”.
If he is a Jew who's still waiting for the Messiah, then he can join a Jewish site…………or discuss his beliefs with those who are interested – in a NON-CHRISTIAN section of this site.
I have no personal problem with Bod or Adam, and never have.
And Stu is welcome to his own opinions about God, but when he calls our heavenly Father a “petulant monster” who needs OUR forgiveness for what He's done, I draw a line.
I have nothing more to say to that man. But you feel free to discuss anything you like with him…………….IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION of this site.
It is t8's site, and these are his rules. I agree with them and stand by them. Lodge your complaints and suggestions with him, for I can do nothing about it.
mike
Mike: That post was very well put. I stand corrected. I accept and agree with the same position of all who agree with your post. I fired off to quickly with my mind full of anti-censorship instead of a more controled study of like minds. To all please forgive me. You have chosen a better way, TK
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