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I stand by what I said.
I believe the abomination of desolation was around 70 AD, but I believe there is still unfulfilled prophecy in Matthew 24.
THE END OF THE AGE
As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (aion: Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age. http://biblehub.com/greek/165.htm) And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you (the Disiples and early Christians) astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. (end of what? End of the age) For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, (happened to the Disciples and early church), and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the earth (oikoumené: Definition: (properly: the land that is being inhabited, the land in a state of habitation), the inhabited world, that is, the Roman world, for all outside it was regarded as of no account. http://biblehub.com/greek/3625.htm) as a testimony to all nations (Gentiles around Jerusalem http://biblehub.com/greek/1484.htm) and then the end (of the age) will come.
“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. (obviously, Jerusalem 70 AD)
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THE END OF THE WORLD
Then (when? after the age and the destruction of Jerusalem which Jesus was just speaking about, because the age and the end of the age becomes now the world, different word used, and the end of the world and the return of Christ, soon to come) there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world (the word here is kosmos, definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.http://biblehub.com/greek/2889.htm) until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. (this warning about false christs is a repeat, firstly it was mentioned regarding the end of the age. I don’t think the repeat is accidental). So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (That hasn’t happened yet). Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days (approaching the end of the world not the end of the age) the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
“From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, (you deny that Ed) but my words will not pass away.
“But concerning that day and hour (the return of Christ and end of the world) no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken (taken away in death) and one left (saved alive, then is the raising up). Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
(Italics and titles my own)
No, you instead have a garbled understanding of Prophecy.
That’s why I posted that video – for you to watch and learn.Ed……… Do you understand me? I left studying with the Adventists because I did not agree with their interpretation of prophecy (including that point which is obviously in the video), BUT I do strongly believe in OTHER points they have which many others don’t see.
OK, I’ll tell you what I’ll watch it when I can. Most likely won’t comment on it though.
2) To those he was speaking to: when did the daily sacrifices end ‘for them’?
Hi Miia,
2) At Jesus’ crucifixion (30AD)
Nice to know we agree on that 🙂
I stand by what I said.
Hi Miia,
You didn’t say anything – all you did is post somebody else’s propaganda.
Why don’t you tell me (in your words) what it is you want me to learn.If you don’t, then it must not be very important. I will do no work
to receive the propaganda of others. When members post the
words of others, I don’t bother reading it. But I do watch the
videos that they post, because I concern myself with the
concerns of others. But you are a hypocrite if you do
not watch my videos but expect me to watch yours!So again I say:
Why don’t you tell me (in your words) what it is you want me to learn.
If you do NOT, then it must not be very important. I will do no work to
receive the propaganda of others – but will listen to others presenting it.You present it, and I will listen – deal?
Then I have the ability to respond
to the source of propaganda._______________
God bless
Ed JI believe the abomination of desolation was around 70 AD, but I believe there is still unfulfilled prophecy in Matthew 24.
Hi Miia,
The ‘abomination of desolation’ spoken of by Daniel the Prophet and
forewarned by Jesus is the islamic dome of the rock – set up in 688AD.“We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
whereunto ye do well that ye take heed” (2 Peter 1:19)Your clueless as to what the ‘abomination of desolation’ is, even though I plainly told you.
1) What happened 1,290 days before, and
2) What happened 1.260 days after.
I have told you both of these as well.
You’re clueless as to what the ‘abomination of desolation’ is, even though “I” plainly told you.
1) What happened 1,290 days before, and
2) What happened 1.260 days after.
I have told you both of these as well
Why don’t you go back to your source to check
if they have the answers to my questions.
If they don’t, then what use are they?_______________
God bless
Ed JYou didn’t say anything – all you did is post somebody else’s propaganda.
Why don’t you tell me (in your words) what it is you want me to learn.If you don’t, then it must not be very important. I will do no work
to receive the propaganda of others. When members post the
words of others, I don’t bother reading it.Ed, are you kidding me?
You are joking right?
I went through Matthew 24 myself.
Why are you copy and pasting your own replies over and over?
Well? What are you answers…
1) What happened 1,290 days before, and
2) What happened 1.260 days after.
And please don’t complain that you (meaning me) are posting this over and over,
I would only need to post it once if you were to actually address my questionsWhat happened 1,290 days before? Jesus preached the kingdom of God.
What happened 1260 days after? Heaps.The house that is left desolate is Jerusalem.
Jesus said in the proceeding chapter (23) “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you desolate.”
Jesus then says in chapter 24 that “not one stone shall be left upon another which will not be torn down”. The Disciples say, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign when all these things are going to be fulfilled?”
The beginning paragraphs describe what will become of Jerusalem, and the verses include the ‘abomination of desolation’. So, it is a past, been and gone thing.
The gospel was preached in all the earth (the word used in these beginning sentences was oikoumene, which means “the Roman world, for all outside it was regarded as of no account” (Strongs), and this preaching was accomplished before 70 AD.
“But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have. Their voice has gone out into all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.” (Romans 10.18)
“The gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven” (Colossions 1.23)
“Has been made known to all the nations leading to obedience of faith.” (Romans 16.26)
Jesus was talking directly to and about the Disciples, not to you or I thousands of years later.
All that Jesus said from Matthew chapter 24 verses 1-20 was fulfilled just as he said, but to you it was not. You want a repeat?
The ‘abomination that makes desolate’ was a sign for the early Christians to run to the hills. Those who did not listen and turned back died when Jerusalem fell. You repeatedly ask me what the abomination was. You will have to ask the Disciples, because they saw it – it was their sign. But, here’s some history for you from An Introduction to the English Bible, (p. 263):
Pilate, at that time Roman Procurator, sent from Caesarea, the seaport of that country on the Mediterranean Sea, a legion of Roman soldiers and had them secretly introduced into the city and sheltered in the tower of Antonio overlooking the Temple, and these soldiers brought with them their ensigns. The Roman sign was a straight staff, capped with a metallic eagle, and right under the eagle was a graven image of Caesar. Caesar claimed to be divine. Caesar exacted divine worship, and every evening when those standards were placed, the Roman legion got down and worshiped the image of Caesar thereof, and every morning at the roll call a part of the parade was for the whole legion to prostrate themselves before that graven image and worship it. The Jews were so horrified when they saw that image and the consequent worship, they went to Pilate, who was at that time living in Caesarea, and prostrated themselves before him and said, ‘Kill us, if you will, but take that abomination of desolation out of our Holy City and from the neighbourhood of our holy temple.
And from the church historian Eusebius, (270-340 AD):
The whole body, of the church at Jerusalem, having been commanded by a divine revelation, given to men of approved piety there before the war, removed from the city, and dwelt at a certain town beyond the Jordan, called Pella. (History of the Church, 3.5.3)
And finally, William Whiston, (1737) the translator of Josephus:
affording the Jewish Christians in the city an opportunity of calling to mind the prediction and caution given them by Christ about thirty-three years and a half before, that “when they should see the abomination of desolation” (the idolatrous Roman armies, with the images of their idols in their ensigns, ready to lay Jerusalem desolate) “stand where it ought not”; or, “in the holy place”; or, “when they should see Jerusalem any one instance of a more unpolitic, but more providential, compassed with armies”; they should then “flee to the mountains.” By complying with which those Jewish Christians fled to the mountains of Perea and escaped this destruction, (The Genuine Works of Flavius Josephus, p. 178).
With so much evidence, your myth that the mosque today is the abomination is simply false.
What does apply to us today from Matthew 24 I think are verses 21-51, the lead up to the end of the entire planet. As I pointed out, it is a completely different word Jesus used, ‘kosmos’, “the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment”, (Strongs).
Case closed! Thanks for the conversation Ed, I’ve learned heaps!!
Case closed! Thanks for the conversation Ed, I’ve learned heaps!!
Hi Miia,
Yes, thank you for finally agreeing that I proved (using both Scripture and History)
that without a doubt the ‘abomination of desolation’ is the islamic dome of the rockHi Miia,
Could you please highlight the part that actually answers my question
Unlike you, I did not use small snippets of out of context scripture and lack of early church historical evidence, but I used swathes of scripture, and proven historical evidence from historians and the early church, (and I know there is much much more). So, ‘no’, I CAN NOT highlight just one part.
Yes, thank you for finally agreeing that I proved (using both Scripture and History)
that without a doubt the ‘abomination of desolation’ is the islamic dome of the rockYou only proved it to yourself, and perhaps those who share your view. I believe Jesus.
Hi Mia:
The following verses of scripture will explain what is the abomination of desolation:
2 Thes:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Love in Christ,
MartyAnd this:
Matthew 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Daniel 9:
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel 12:
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Love in Christ,
Marty11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Hi Marty,
I have appointed thee “each day for a year” (Ezekiel 4:6)
Prophecy is given as “each day for a year” 1,290 days is 1,290 YEARS“After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days,
“each day for a year”, shall ye bear your iniquities, even (is) FORTY YEARS” (Num 14:34)“And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,
and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be
a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” (Daniel 12:11)…………………..603BC + 1,290years = 688AD
In 603BC the Babylonian forces captured Jerusalem and took the temple treasure back to Babylon. …[b](Link)[/b]
No altar to sacrifice on, and No Ark of the covenant for the priest to sprinkle the blood on.The islamic dome of the rock was set up in 688AD matching the prophecy perfectly.
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God bless
Ed JHi Marty,
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place (on the temple mount), (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: (Matt 24:15-16)…………………..688AD + 1,260years = 1948AD
“And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (Rev 12:6)…………………………….1948AD
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to
bring forth in one day? or shall a nation (Israel) be born (1948AD) at once?
for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.” (Isaiah 66:8)________________
God bless
Ed JHi Marty,
Here is a different prophecy (The Time is Fulfilled of Mark 1:15) which Jesus Christ himself references
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed” (2 Peter 1:19)
Hi Marty.
The abomination of desolation has been and gone. Jesus was talking to his disciples and what would befall them, thus gave them a warning sign of when to take to the mountains – which they did.
The man of sin spoken of in 2nd Thessalonians 3 regards events toward the end of the world (hence now), so regards us. Jesus gave warning to us today (the cosmos in Matthew 24:1-20 different than the Roman world in Matthew 24:21-51) of false christs and false prophets. Therefore, the man of sin which Paul talks about is not standing in a temple made of hands in Jerusalem, because that was destroyed in 70 AD. Paul is meaning the temple within a christian. In the chapters preceeding Paul’s warning, Paul explains clearly what the temple now is.
” Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own.” (1 Corinthian 3.16, 1 Corinthians 6.19 and 2 Corinthians 6.19, etc).
Therefore, when Paul says that the man of sin takes his seat (position) in the temple of God, he means the body of a believer. Thus, the great falling away happening today. Thus, the false christs and false prophets which Jesus warned of.
There may also be, and this is purely speculation, a false image of Christ during WW3 displayed from the heavens through man made manipulation (Projected Image). And those who do not know how Jesus will return could be deceived. Hense Jesus warning in Matthew 24 to us today:
“If anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”
As lightning… shines from the east to the west, in blazing fire (2nd Thess 1.7-9). Marty, take heed. When it’s truly Jesus, all that will remain on the surface of this earth are the saved.
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