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Hi Miia,
I have shown you the Scriptures concerning the matter, and you have totally glossed over (fully ignored) them.
and declare yourself to be right despite all the evidence against your rudimentary understanding
with the comment: Unfortunately, this conversation has become useless.You have resorted to declaring yourself right in a desperate attempt to protect your private interpretation.
Understand what the scriptures say.
Hi Miia,
I have shown you that you are pitting one scripture against another declaring one to be wrong and the other right.
I can show you the definitions of words in the text that you are trying to key in on in an attempt to override
other Scriptures – that they are indeed harmonious with the other Scriptures you are trying to override.But what would be the use?
By saying: ‘Unfortunately, this conversation has become useless’ You are saying
‘don’t bother me with the facts, because I already got my mind made up’ – Miia“But he that received seed into the good ground
is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it” (Matt 13:23)“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation’ (the islamic dome of the rock built in 688AD),
spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)” (Matt 24:15)____________________________________________________________________
since you disagreeFOR THE THIRD TIME NOW…
1) What is the abomination of desolation?
2) And in what year was it set up?QUIT ATTEMPTING TO DODGE
Hi Ed.
Unfortunately, this conversation has become useless. You have resorted to personal tactics in a desperate attempt to protect yourself.Understand the scriptures for what they say.
Hi Miia,
Understand what the scriptures say:
“For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me,
saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name (ref. to Israel) remain.” (Isaiah 66:22)“Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word,
Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of
things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.” (Heb 12:26-27)The rudiments will burn with fervent heat, and what will remain will be a cleansed vessel. (ref. 1Cor 3:15)
“If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.” (1Cor 3:15)“Our God is a consuming fire” (Heb 12:29)
“the tares are gathered and burned in the fire” (Matt 13:40)
Ed,
When you are in a corner and exposed, you resort to childish taunting and bullying tactics, rather than deal with the truth that is presented to you. And you deceive. What more is there to say (unless you stop).Furthermore, the one presenting complete chapters is me, whereas you present out of context snippets of scripture.
If you wish, we can return to where this began, without your using deceitful tactics, such as yesterday.
You said in this thread: https://heavennet.net/forums/topic/communicate-with-spirit/page/19/
Babylon captured Israel in 603BC (from that time the daily sacrifice was taken away)
The daily sacrifice was not, as you claim, taken away in 603 BC. Firstly, Jesus spoke about this in Matthew 24:15 as a future event.
The daily sacrifice was taken away after the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.
Judaism 101:
Q. When did Jews stop offering sacrifices, and why?
A. For the most part, the practice of sacrifice stopped in the year 70 C.E., when the Roman army destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem, the place where sacrifices were offered.Please acknowledge this first error, and if you converse decently, we may continue from there.
(and perhaps save the above posts for another topic. one post each at a time now on, please, k)
Babylon captured Israel in 603BC (from that time the daily sacrifice was taken away)
Hi Miia,
If as you say 70AD, then what was the ‘Abomination of Desolation’ that was set up 1,290 days later?
……..603BC + 1,260years = 688AD
The dome of the rock (abomination of desolation) was set up in 688AD.
“And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,
and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall
be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” (Dan 12:11)“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed” (2Pt 1:19)
Prophecy is given as “a day for a year” (ref. Ezekiel 4:6)
“I have appointed thee each day for a year” (Ezekiel 4:6)
“each day for a year” (Numbers 14:34) (<– second witness)Hi Miia,
Jesus warned about the ‘Abomination of Desolation’ in 30AD
And the ‘Abomination of Desolation’ wasn’t set up until 688ad“Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains” (Matt 24:16)
“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days” (Rev 12:6)……………688ad + 1,260years = 1948ad
“Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?
or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.” (Isaiah 66:8)Hi Miia,
Do you know that muslims teach that Muhammad (according to them) is the HolySpirit Jesus sent?
What blasphemy against God calling the false prophet of the book of Revelation the HolySpirit.God warned us about islam, and you would be wise to heed God’s warning.
Instead you peddle the doctrines and teachings of men (rudiments).“Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;)
after the commandments and doctrines of men?” (Col 2:20-22)What were they doing the sacrifices on? The bible clearly states Nebuchadnezzar carried the vessels of the house of the LORD to Babylon
“Nebuchadnezzar also carried of the vessels of the house of the LORD to Babylon, and put them in his temple at Babylon.” (2 Chron 36:7)
No altar to sacrifice on, no Ark to sprinkle the blood on = no sacrifices!
But you would rather follow the teachings of men rather than God’s more sure word of Prophecy, right?
what was the ‘Abomination of Desolation’ that was set up 1,290 days later?
……..603BC + 1,260years = 688AD
Ed, firstly I take the days as literal days in this instance, not years.
Secondly, how do you figure that the abomination was set up 1290 days after the regular sacrifices ceased?
If you compare Daniel to Matthew, the ending of the regular sacrifice and the abomination set up coincide together, and THEN is the 1290 days.
“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)… then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.
Thirdly, do you acknowledge your error on WHEN the regular sacrifices stopped, and that Jesus spoke of it as future, where you wrote of it as past?
Finally, did you even read my post? I asked nicely! for one post each from now on. Sorry, but I’m only replying to your first post. One at a time please Ed.
Hi Miia,
70ad occurred because the Israelis knew not the time of thy visitation, and
neither do you because you refuse to watch the video which explains it.“And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee;
and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou
knewest not the time (ref to Daniel 9:24-27) of thy visitation.” (Luke 19:44)_______________
God bless
Ed JSecondly, how do you figure that the abomination was set up 1290 days after the regular sacrifices ceased?
Prophecy is given as “a day for a year” (ref. Ezekiel 4:6)
“I have appointed thee each day for a year” (Ezekiel 4:6)
“each day for a year” (Numbers 14:34) (<– second witness)603BC + 1,290years = 688AD
The dome of the rock (abomination of desolation) was set up in 688AD.
“And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,
and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall
be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” (Dan 12:11)“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed” (2Pt 1:19)
Thirdly, do you acknowledge your error on WHEN the regular sacrifices stopped, and that Jesus spoke of it as future, where you wrote of it as past?
Hi Miia,
I always read your posts, but you seem to ignore mine.
What were they doing the sacrifices on? The bible clearly states Nebuchadnezzar carried the vessels of the house of the LORD to Babylon
“Nebuchadnezzar also carried of the vessels of the house of the LORD to Babylon, and put them in his temple at Babylon.” (2 Chron 36:7)
No altar to sacrifice on, no Ark to sprinkle the blood on = no sacrifices!
Do you now acknowledge your error on WHEN the sacrifices were stopped?
Hi Miia,
70ad occurred because the Israelis knew not the time of thy visitation, and
neither do you because you refuse to watch the video which explains it.Hi Miia,
I posted the video for you again, this time I suggest you watch it
Ed,
Which part of “one post each” don’t you understand!!I’m just on my mobile, so the rest will have to wait. But, here’s two questions I’ve been thinking about:
1) Who was Jesus speaking to in Matthew 24?
2) To those he was speaking to: when did the daily sacrifices end ‘for them’?
My answer:
1) Christ was speaking to His Disciples privately.
2) The daily sacrifices stopped for the Disciples when Christ was crucified, (therefore, let the reader understand).
This explains it nicely:
https://bible.org/question/when-did-animal-sacrifices-stop-and-why
When did the animal sacrifices stop and why?
“For the JEWS who rejected Jesus as their Messiah, animal sacrifices done in obedience to the Old Testament covenant were stopped in A.D. 70 at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the armies of Rome.
For the CHRISTIAN community, animal sacrifices stopped with the death and resurrection of Christ …….. The book of Hebrews actually deals with this and shows that the Old Testament sacrificial system (the Old Covenant) was temporary until the coming of Christ who was the fulfillment of all that the sacrificial system anticipated.”
Do I have a point?
70ad occurred because the Israelis knew not the time of thy visitation, and
neither do you because you refuse to watch the video which explains it.Ed, as I said I have watched and listened to hours and hours of Adventist prophecy related lectures regarding the times, Daniel etc. I used to study with them.
70ad occurred because the Israelis knew not the time of thy visitation, and
neither do you because you refuse to watch the video which explains it.Ed, as I said I have watched and listened to hours and hours of Adventist prophecy related lectures regarding the times, Daniel etc. I used to study with them.
Hi Miia,
OK, what happened at the end of the 70 weeks?
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God bless
Ed J1) Who was Jesus speaking to in Matthew 24?
2) To those he was speaking to: when did the daily sacrifices end ‘for them’?
Hi Miia,
1) All believers in God
2) At Jesus’ crucifixion (30AD)
“and in the midst of the (70th) week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease” (Dan 9:27)
Do I have a point?
No, you instead have a garbled understanding of Prophecy.
That’s why I posted that video – for you to watch and learn.I stand by what I said.
I believe the abomination of desolation was around 70 AD, but I believe there is still unfulfilled prophecy in Matthew 24.
THE END OF THE AGE
As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” (aion: Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age. http://biblehub.com/greek/165.htm) And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you (the Disiples and early Christians) astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. (end of what? End of the age) For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, (happened to the Disciples and early church), and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the earth (oikoumené: Definition: (properly: the land that is being inhabited, the land in a state of habitation), the inhabited world, that is, the Roman world, for all outside it was regarded as of no account. http://biblehub.com/greek/3625.htm) as a testimony to all nations (Gentiles around Jerusalem http://biblehub.com/greek/1484.htm) and then the end (of the age) will come.
“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. (obviously, Jerusalem 70 AD)
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THE END OF THE WORLD
Then (when? after the age and the destruction of Jerusalem which Jesus was just speaking about, because the age and the end of the age becomes now the world, different word used, and the end of the world and the return of Christ, soon to come) there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world (the word here is kosmos, definition: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.http://biblehub.com/greek/2889.htm) until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. (this warning about false christs is a repeat, firstly it was mentioned regarding the end of the age. I don’t think the repeat is accidental). So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (That hasn’t happened yet). Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days (approaching the end of the world not the end of the age) the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
“From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, (you deny that Ed) but my words will not pass away.
“But concerning that day and hour (the return of Christ and end of the world) no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken (taken away in death) and one left (saved alive, then is the raising up). Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
(Italics and titles my own)
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