'Abomination of Desolation' – setting the record straight on what it is

[terraricca]

Edj

this is more like the JW explanation of their opinion ,first understand that Israel as nothing to do in God’s will or scene in this world ,for he rejected them and destroyed his temple in their country in 70 AD because of their final abomination ,

and yes from the time of the coming of Christ to John the baptist until his death/resurrection there is 1290 days this was also the end of the daily sacrifice according to the law given to Moses and the beginning of the new covenant ,for Jesus paid the only sacrifice needed to end all death ,(payment for Adam sin and death)

this is what scriptures tell us ,no secret

the result for the abomination committed (condemnation of the innocent) was the rejection and the destruction of Jerusalem temple and all connected buildings as per Jesus words in Matt;24/Mark 13/Luke 21

also already given scriptures

Da 12:12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. this is the rise of Jesus to heaven , and five days later the pentecost happen,

[terraricca]

Miia

I said ;I made a mistake it was “THE SIGN” what cause the desolation that was in 66 -68 (by Vespasian)

the abomination that will cause the desolation “is the judgement of the innocent and is killing in the name of the true God by those that should have saved him ,

please this is not true i will corrected with capital letters

the sign was for the believers to get out of Jerusalem ;as per Jesus words in ;Mk 13:14 “When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’ standing where it does not belong—let(this was the Roman army in the courtyard by General Vespasian) of the holy of holy the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. (for a few years after Vespasian became emperor and send his son General Titus to destroy Jerusalem )
Mk 13:15 Let no one on the roof of his house go down or enter the house to take anything out.
Mk 13:16 Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed” (2Pt 1:19)

Prophecy is given as “a day for a year” (ref. Ezekiel 4:6)
“I have appointed thee each day for a year” (Ezekiel 4:6)
“each day for a year” (Numbers 14:34) (<– second witness)

The dome of the rock (abomination of desolation) was set up in 688AD.

“And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,
and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall
be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” (Dan 12:11)

603BC + 1,290years = 688AD

The Babylonian captured Jerusalem in 603BC …(Link)

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place(on the Temple Mpunt), (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:” (Matt 24:15-16)

688ad + 1,260years = 1948

“And the woman(Israel) fled into the wilderness(ref. Matt 24:16),
where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her
there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (Rev 12:6)

“If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater” (1 John 5:9)

Da 12:12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. this is the rise of Jesus to heaven , and five days later the pentecost happen,

Hi Pierre,

If you look at the data it’s “I” who has given you Scripture,
and it is you who have given your opinion – which doesn’t add up.

……688ad + 1,335years = 2023

But here is an opinion: The dome of the rock is coming down on or before 2023
You cannot squeeze either 1,335 days or years into your formula. Perhaps the JW’s
too (like me) have been able to figure something out that you have not been able to 🙂

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God bless
Ed J

[terraricca]

Edj

If you look at the data it’s “I” who has given you Scripture,

are you serious ? for if you are look better at my quotes ;You did not give also not the truth in your interpretation of the scriptures

but time will tell that you are wrong ,see then

[Miia]

Terraricca, thanks for all your information, I believe you.

Haven’t got time to post right now but will be back soon.

[Ed J]

Hi Miia,

You never answered my questions, so will you now pleease do so
It is easy to say “No” that’s not it. But what is your alternative explanation.

(1)What do YOU believe is the ‘abomination of desolation’ (2)and in what year was it set up. (<– TWO QUESTIONS)

Pierre’s theory simply does not add up, “I” have explained what was wrong with it. …[b](Reread this post)[/b]

And neither of you have even attempted to poke holes in God’s more sure word of Prophecy. …[b](Link)[/b]

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God bless
Ed J

[terraricca]

Edj

all you have presented is parts of scriptures that are not even related ;

the end of the daily sacrifice come with the death of Christ , and the sign that would bring the desolation came between 66 and 68 AD

the final destruction of Jerusalem and so the physical impossibility to make daily sacrifices for there is no more a temple to do it ,

ED,you did not address my scriptures at all ,like always you just declare and claim I am wrong ;this does not prove it ;show real scriptures that really talks about what it is and was ;I have many other scriptures to show ;

your description is about the reconstitution of Israel has a nation of GOD ,this scriptures do not support ,you seem not to understand that when Babylon in 606-9 BC came by the will of God ,they did not destroyed all the temple and the structures ;big difference the second time around in 70 AD as per Jesus words ;not a stone upon a stone will remain ” it will never be rebuild for it would be a NEW construction ;without God in it ;

[Ed J]

Edj

all you have presented is parts of scriptures that are not even related ;

Hi Pierre,

”For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little” (Isaiah 28:10)

But “The Word” of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept
upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. (Isaiah 28:13)

“speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are
unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16)

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Edj

the end of the daily sacrifice come with the death of Christ , and the sign that would bring the desolation came between 66 and 68 AD

ED,you did not address my scriptures at all

Sorry Pierre,
I’ve given the Scripture for before the ‘abomination of desolation’ during and after
And you have given nothing whatsoever that point to a date somewhere between 66 and 68 AD

Before
688ad – 1,290 = 603bc (The Babylonian forces capture Jerusalem)
During
Let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains” (Matt 24:16)
After
688ad + 1,260 = 1948ad (Jerusalem is FREED from Gentile control)

In my next post I will provide a second witness for “each day for a year”

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre and especially Miia,

………………The Time is Fulfilled” (ref Mark 1:15)

This video explains in detail how “Messiah the Prince” claims he is
the fulfillment of Daniel the prophet’s Prophecy (ref. Daniel 9:24-27)
It also provides a second witness that Prophecy is “each day for a year”

[Miia]

Hi Ed.
You quote this verse:

“speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are
unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16)

Let’s look at the whole chapter.

“In the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. “Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”

But they deliberately overlook the fact that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world of that time perished in the flood. And by that same word, the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some understand slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be dissolved in the fire, and the earth and its works will not be found.

Since everything will be dissolved in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to conduct yourselves in holiness and godliness as you anticipate and hasten the coming of the day of God

when the heavens will be dissolved by fire and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with God’s promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth

where righteousness dwells.

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Tell me how you view the above scripture.

[Miia]

I know that you don’t believe the Apostle Paul’s words are Scripture, BUT THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE!

Why do you twist what people say or mean or take things out of context? I suggest you drop that.

[Miia]

It was not thousands of years Ed, it was 42 months.
You speak about witnesses, well it’s interesting what the early church has to say, as an historical account.

Clement of Alexandria, (160 AD)

We have still to add to our chronology the following, — I mean the days which Daniel indicates from the desolation of Jerusalem, the seven years and seven months of the reign of Vespasian. For the two years are added to the seventeen months and eighteen days of Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius; and the result is three years and six months, which is “the half of the week,” as Daniel the prophet said. For he said that there were two thousand three hundred days from the time that the abomination of Nero stood in the holy city, till its destruction. For thus the declaration, which is subjoined, shows: “How long shall be the vision, the sacrifice taken away, the abomination of desolation, which is given, and the power and the holy place shall be trodden under foot? And he said to him, Till the evening and morning, two thousand three hundred days, and the holy place shall be taken away.” … “These two thousand three hundred days, then, make six years four months, during the half of which Nero held sway, and it was half a week; and for a half, Vespasian with Otho, Galba, and Vitellius reigned. And on this account Daniel says, “Blessed is he that cometh to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.” For up to these days was war, and after them it ceased. And this number is demonstrated from a subsequent chapter, which is as follows: “And from the time of the change of continuation, and of the giving of the abomination of desolation, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 2, p. 334)

Origen (225 AD)

Now in these it is recorded, that “when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed about with armies, then shall ye know that the desolation thereof is nigh.” But at that time there were no armies around Jerusalem, encompassing and enclosing and besieging it; for the siege began in the reign of Nero, and lasted till the government of Vespasian, whose son Titus destroyed Jerusalem, on account, as Josephus says, of James the Just, the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, but in reality, as the truth makes clear, on account of Jesus Christ the Son of God. (Origen, Against Celsus, 2:13)

Hippolytus of Rome (200 AD)

And whereas thou didst pour out His blood in indignation, hear what thy recompense shall be: “Pour out Thine indignation upon them, and let Thy wrathful anger take hold of them;” and, “Let their habitation be desolate,” to wit, their celebrated temple. But why, O prophet, tell us, and for what reason, was the temple made desolate? Was it on account of that ancient fabrication of the calf? Was it on account of the idolatry of the people? Was it for the blood of the prophets? Was it for the adultery and fornication of Israel? By no means, he says; for in all these transgressions they always found pardon open to them, and benignity; but it was because they killed the Son of their Benefactor, for He is coeternal with the Father. Whence He saith, “Father, let their temple be made desolate; for they have persecuted Him whom Thou didst of Thine own will smite for the salvation of the world”

325AD Eusebius “If any one compares the words of our Saviour with the other accounts of the historian (Josephus) concerning the whole war, how can one fail to wonder, and to admit that the foreknowledge and the prophecy of our Saviour were truly divine and marvelously strange.” (Book III, Ch. VII)

http://www.bible.ca/H-Mt-24-destruction-jerusalem-70AD.htm

[Ed J]

Tell me how you view the above scripture.

HI Miia,

First
You pretend to be authoritative, but speak out of ignorance.
‘Rudiments’ mean rudimentary knowledge – Carnal knowledge, and
the works of Carnal knowledge burn up in the fire of God’s word. (ref. 1Cor.3:11-15)

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the rudiments shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also
and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” (2 Peter 3:10)

Proof
“Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying,
Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word,
Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as
of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom (ref. 2Cor 5:17) which cannot be moved,
let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence
and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.” (Heb 12:26-29)

Next
“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens
and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” (2 Peter 3:13)

Proof
2 Peter 3:13 means…
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” (2Cor 5:17)

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Miia,

The Carnal mind is different from the physical,
you appear to be blurring the lines between the two.
God made promises to “Israel”, not to the carnal mind.

You say God is going to destroy the Earth.

“He built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.” (Psalms 78:69)
“Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.” (Psalms 104:5)

Do you think you know more than God?

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

(1)It was not thousands of years Ed, it was 42 months.
(2)You speak about witnesses, well it’s interesting what the early church has to say, as an historical account.

Hi Miia,

Do you even read my posts???

1) What are you talking about? I said: Prophecy is given as “each day for a year”
And then cited the Bible passages of Ezekiel 6:4 and Numbers 14:34 “AS PROOF”.

2) Do you have any videos on them?
Why don’t you tell me (in your words) what it is you want me to learn.
If you don’t, then it must not be very important. I will do no work
to receive the propaganda of others. When members post the
words of others, I don’t bother reading it. But I do watch the
videos that they post, because I concern myself with the
concerns of others. You are a hypocrite if you do not
watch my videos but yet expect me to watch yours!

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

I know that you don’t believe the Apostle Paul’s words are Scripture, BUT THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE!

Why do you twist what people say or mean or take things out of context? I suggest you drop that.

Hi Miia,

I asked you a question twice now and you appear to be avoiding it.
I have provided a link to the post, now will you please answer? …[b](Link)[/b]

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God bless
Ed J

[Miia]

Do you think you know more than God?

Ed, firstly, your comments have become childish, and I really can’t be bothered answering you. Nevertheless,

You say God is going to destroy the Earth.

“”I”” did not say that God is going to destroy the Earth, Ed. SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT.

You quoted these verse:

“He built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.” (Psalms 78:69)
“Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.” (Psalms 1

OK, so the Earth remains forever in Psalm 104.5 and Ecc 1.4, and the Earth does not remain forever in verses like Isaiah 65.17 and 2 Peter 3.

That is obviously because in Ecclesiastes and Psalms where the Earth is said to remain forever, the perspective is that of MAN. Example, if you take Ecclesiastes 1.4 in its context it says:

Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher,
vanity of vanities! All is vanity.
What does man gain by all the toil
at which he toils under the sun?
A generation goes, and a generation comes,
but the earth remains forever.
The sun rises, and the sun goes down,
and hastens to the place where it rises.
The wind blows to the south
and goes around to the north;
around and around goes the wind,
and on its circuits the wind returns.
All streams run to the sea,
but the sea is not full;
to the place where the streams flow,
there they flow again.

Do you see how this is written from the perspective of the writer. Therefore, to the man, the Earth remains forever. However, Isaiah 65.17 and 2nd Peter 3 says something different, and it concerns the future, and from a different perspective, and we should believe it:

“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things shall not be remembered or come to mind.” (Isaiah 65.17)

“But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, on account of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat. But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells” (2 Peter 3:10-13).

God can do what he wants as the creator!

[Miia]

I asked you a question twice now and you appear to be avoiding it.
I have provided a link to the post, now will you please answer? …(Link)

I don’t see any question there, all I see is an Adventist video.

[Ed J]

You say God is going to destroy the Earth.

“”I”” did not say that God is going to destroy the Earth, Ed. SCRIPTURE SAYS THAT.

You quoted these verse:

“He built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.” (Psalms 78:69)
“Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.” (Psalms 104:5)

OK, so the Earth remains forever in Psalm 104.5 and Ecc 1.4, and the Earth does not remain forever in verses like Isaiah 65.17 and 2 Peter 3.

Hi Miia,

The reason I asked do you think you know more that God
is because you are attempting to cancel what he said
in these two verses: Psalms 78:69 and Psalms 104:5.

Look carefully at what is wrote in Hebrews…
“Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word,
Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken,
as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.” (Heb 12:26-27)

As I said before you are confusing the carnal mind with physical reality.
The thoughts and truths of the carnal mind (Rudiments) is what’s getting burned up.

“Our God is a consuming fire” (Heb 12:29)

“The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Q. Who among us
shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

A. He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions,
that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood,
and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;

He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks:
bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
Thine eyes (Ed J) shall see the king in his beauty:
they (the hypocrites) shall behold the land that is very far off.” (Isaiah 33:14-17)

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