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Quote Zechariah 8:9 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of the LORD of hosts was laid, that the TEMPLE MIGHT BE BUILD.
Why do their hands have to be strong?
They are going to help rebuild, and plant, etc. They will be flesh and will work with their hands.was Jesus not the head of that temple
and his disciples the stones or bodyQuote Zechariah 8:15 So again have I thought in these days to DO WELL UNTO JERUSALEM and to the house of Judah: fear ye not.
Again, speaking to Israel. Not spiritual Israel. …..These days….the days coming…the 1000 year reign.No it is the spiritual ,the one that Christ builds ;Jn 1:16 From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another,
Jn 1:11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
Jn 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—Zechariah 8:6 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If it be MARVELLOUS in the eyes of the REMNANT of this people in these days, should it also be MARVELLOUS IN MINE EYES? saith the LORD of hosts.
Jn 1:6 There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John.
Jn 1:7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe.Jn 1:23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’ ”
PS 65:4 How blessed is the one whom You choose and bring near to You
To dwell in Your courts.
We will be satisfied with the goodness of Your house,
Your holy temple.
PS 118:26 Blessed is the one who comes in the name of the LORD;
We have blessed you from the house of the LORD.Zechariah 8:12 For THE SEED SHALL BE PROSPEROUS; the vine shall give her fruit, and the ground shall give her increase, and the heavens shall give their dew; and I will cause the REMNANT OF THIS PEOPLE to possess all these things.
JN 15:1 “ I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
JN 15:4 “ Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
JN 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
Ac 2:39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
Ac 2:40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
Ac 2:41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.Mk 4:26 He also said, “This is what the kingdom of God is like. A man scatters seed on the ground.
Mk 4:27 Night and day, whether he sleeps or gets up, the seed sprouts and grows, though he does not know how.
Mk 4:28 All by itself the soil produces grain—first the stalk, then the head, then the full kernel in the head.
Mk 4:29 As soon as the grain is ripe, he puts the sickle to it, because the harvest has come.”all those scriptures are for Gods people that will receive his grace through Christ
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Pierre,Quote j42 Zechariah 8:9 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Let your hands be strong, ye that hear in these days these words by the mouth of the prophets, which were in the day that the foundation of the house of the LORD of hosts was laid, that the TEMPLE MIGHT BE BUILD.
I asked you;
Quote Why do their hands have to be strong? then I told you why;
Quote They are going to help rebuild, and plant, etc. They will be flesh and will work with their hands. You replied;
Quote was Jesus not the head of that temple and his disciples the stones or body
Yes, but it says, let YOUR hands be strong. Are you implying that they built the temple, and Christ is the cornerstone?
If so, then they couldn't of been the ones that built the temple, because they rejected the cornerstone. The temple was not built with hands anyway. Destroy this temple, and I will raise it in three days
The reason why I mentioned that they will rebuild is because of this scripture;Isaiah 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
This has never happened before. This is a change. They have been occupied since Babylon days. Even now, with their land back to them, Palestine occupies part of it. Evem the Dome of the Rock is on their land. Strangers are there.
It's always been like this for them;Jeremiah 6:12 And their houses shall be turned unto others, with their fields and wives together: for I will stretch out my hand upon the inhabitants of the land, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 32:30 For the children of Israel and the children of Judah have only done evil before me from their youth: for he children of Israel have only provoked me to anger with the work of their hands, saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 32:31 For this city hath been to me as a provocation of mine anger and of my fury from the day that they built it, even unto this day; that I should remove it from before my face.
Jeremiah 32:32 Because of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which they have done to to prove me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of the land.What about the points I raised in
Zechariah 2:4 & 5 – Jerusalem without walls?We need to go over again. Zechariah chapter 2 is giving us a preview of the picture.
And this one
Zechariah 2:11 And MANY NATIONS shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall BE MY people: and I will DWELL IN THE MIDST of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.and this one
Zechariah 2:12 And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and SHALL CHOOSE JERUSALEM *AGAIN*.
It was chosen since the beginning. This is where the garden of eden was. Paradise. It will be restored.
We are given a clue here.
Ezekiel 36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited. FUTUREPlease explain this one too?
Zechariah 8:4 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; There shall yet old men and old women dwell in the streets of Jerusalem, and every man with his staff in his hand for very age.Has this ever happened? Seriously. Not every man in Israel lives to a ripe old age. It's never ever been fulfilled.
Please, look at these scriptures before we go further. They have not been fulfilled. We have to recognise that when Christ returns, there is going to be a big change. Everything is going to be different, and it will be noticed particularly in Jerusalem.
From war, wastelands ….to…Paradise
From cursings, anger, punishment ….to…., blessings, comfort & restoration.
From making idols and building altars for false gods ….to….praying, glorifying, building houses & planting vineyards (the work of their hands. From evil, to good)
From false worship, ignorance & rebellion ….to…knowing their Messiah, learning and obeying.
Everything will be turned around. A BIG CHANGE IS ABOUT TO COME AND I LOVE TO DECLARE IT.j42
Quote Yes, but it says, let YOUR hands be strong. Are you implying that they built the temple, and Christ is the cornerstone?
If so, then they couldn't of been the ones that built the temple, because they rejected the cornerstone. The temple was not built with hands anyway. Destroy this temple, and I will raise it in three days
The reason why I mentioned that they will rebuild is because of this scripture;Jn 4:35 Do you not say, ‘Four months more and then the harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest.
Jn 4:36 Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.
Jn 4:37 Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true.
Jn 4:38 I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.”Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
Mt 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Pierre
These scriptures below have nothing to do with those scriptures in Zechariah. In the kingdom they will labour, during the reign of Christ (1000 years) to come. Physical Israel will labour. They will use their hands for good and not evil. They will work and labour for the lord.
I will address your scriptures, and this is good, for we can take a closer look regarding what we were speaking about, …labour, the work of our hands. Is is the same labour that Zechariah is speaking of?
John 4:31 In the meanwhile his disciples prayed him him, saying, Master, eat.
John 4:32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
John 4:33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him aught to eat?SEE HERE, HE IS SPEAKING TO HIS DISCIPLES.
THEY COULD NOT UNDERSTAND HIS SPEECH BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT HAD NOT YET COME. ALL THEY KNEW IS THAT CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD, BUT COULD NOT YET DISCERN HIS WORDS. THEY TOTALLY DISREGARDED & IGNORED WHAT CHRIST ANSWERED THEM. SO CHRIST HAD TO EXPLAIN FURTHER.John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me and to finish his work.
John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and them cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.When we are dead, we sleep, and time stands still. When the ressurection comes, we see Christ (the harvest). So men don't really have to wait that long. Just the length of their lives. Death is always at the door. It is always near.
John 4:36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal. that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.
John 4:37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.
John 4:38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour; other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.He is telling those disciples that they were not the ones doing all the labour. The hard labour was done by Christ, he was the one doing all the sowing. And Christ hand picked his apostles, and they scattered his seed (spread the word). Those apostles were his labourers, enduring to deliver Gods word to us, which is the message of Christ, the Son of God….the doorway.
Now all of us benefit from their hard labour. So we also will reap where we did not sow. We are reaping daily. Learning the truth, changing our ways to God's ways, increasing in knowledge and holiness. Preparing our temples for the holy spirit to come in and dwell, and preparing for the day of the resurrection when we will reap other things we have not yet received.Quote Jn 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
Yes, the apostles.j42
Quote I will address your scriptures, and this is good, for we can take a closer look regarding what we were speaking about, …labour, the work of our hands. Is is the same labour that Zechariah is speaking of? Zecheriah was a prophet why would you take his words literally in some case and other in allegory ,
if a prophet talks the words of God then we have to connect his words to the realization of those prophetic words ,
and most of the time Christ spoke out of context any way ,says one thing but it means something elseQuote (journey42 @ Jan. 24 2013,05:01) The reason why I mentioned that they will rebuild is because of this scripture; Isaiah 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
This has never happened before. This is a change.
Hi Journey,
Matt 26
[29] I tell you I shall not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.John 18
[36] Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight, that I might not be handed over to the Jews; but my kingdom is not from the world.“Rev.21
[1] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away.Journey,
The above verses that I posted, where Jesus will drink, again, the fruit of the vine, in His Fathers Kingdom — as He said, His kingdom is not of this world, so where is it then?John 14,
[2] In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?
[3] And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.
[4] And you know the way where I am going.”Jesus went to heaven and is still in heaven.
Rev.21
[1] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
[2] And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband;
[3] and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them;
[4] he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.”Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,11:26) j42 Quote I will address your scriptures, and this is good, for we can take a closer look regarding what we were speaking about, …labour, the work of our hands. Is is the same labour that Zechariah is speaking of? Zecheriah was a prophet why would you take his words literally in some case and other in allegory ,
if a prophet talks the words of God then we have to connect his words to the realization of those prophetic words ,
and most of the time Christ spoke out of context any way ,says one thing but it means something else
Hi Pierre,Could you please address those scriptures in Zechariah that I mentioned, with explanations of your understanding as to why you think they have been fulfilled?.
We can do it scripture by scripture, slowly, and address each verse. I think that would be easier.
We can start with Zechariah 2:11 and go from there.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 24 2013,19:24) [3] and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them;
[4] he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.”
To All……….Mankind is GOD'S crown Jewel of all creation, He has subject all things under his foot in that he has subjected all thing under his foot there is “nothing” he has not subjected under the foot of man. He has given Glory and Honor unto man.Jesus is the First to have received all of this , Just the first of many brothers and sisters that will also inherit the same great gifts from God the Father. Jesus is our brother a fellow human being who the Father has placed as head, over the HOUSE HOLD of GOD”S Family. We are God's own Children, whom he loves, corrects, forgives and keeps by the “POWER” of his Might.
peace and love to you all………………………………….gene
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Journey,
The above verses that I posted, where Jesus will drink, again, the fruit of the vine, in His Fathers Kingdom — as He said, His kingdom is not of this world, so where is it then?Hi 2Besse,
Your simple questions are opening up a can of worms. One I did not wish to discuss, but you are putting me in a corner!Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
This will happen when he returns, and sets up his Father's kingdom in Jerusalem. Did he drink wine with them whilst here for 40 days after his resurrection? Such a big statement, and yet is not mentioned….because it did not happen but it will happen during the 1000 year reign.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
His kingdom is heavenly, not worldly. It's from above, not below. All that we have learn't comes from God, not men here on earth.
Quote John 14,
[2] In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?
I go to PREPARE a place for you. Get it ready for you.Quote [3] And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.
Christ was speaking to the apostles.
In Revelations, there are 24 elders who are standing around the throne. They are witnesses also to the lamb opening the seven seals. The 12 apostles are part of the 24. Witnesses in heaven.Quote John 14,
[2] In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?
KJV words it like this
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions. ….There is a big difference between mansions and rooms. Mansions are like palaces, plush, with many storeys, fit for royalty and rooms are just rooms. Everyone has a room, but not everyone a mansion.
In my Father's house (kingdom) are many mansions (palaces)
If there are going to be kings and Priests, then the kings need their own palace. A king does not share his palace with another king. They have their own territories. But who are going to be kings? and who are going to be priests?
I say the 12 apostles will be the kings.Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of 12 stars
Crowns represent kings. 12 Kings. 12 Apostles.
Now, Revelations shows us that there are 24 elders in heaven who witnessed the lamb open up the seven seals.
At the time of this vision, John was still alive. I believe he also saw himself in the vision, but didn't recognise it was him.John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
Remember he was solely speaking to those apostles.
Quote [4] And you know the way where I am going.“ Jesus went to heaven and is still in heaven.
Exactly. So the 24 elders who were in heaven around God's throne witnessing the lamb open the seven seals have been resurrected already. John was the youngest apostle. He was probably in his 80's or early 90's when he had the vision. I think that the apostles were all risen together possibly in 70AD. The other 12, I do not know.
Elijah was taken up, and the angel took Moses body. These are the two witnesses that will preach in Israel during the occupation of the false prophet. But they will die again, and their bodies will lay in the street for 3 days. So they have not been changed to spirit, therefore they cannot already be resurrected to spirit, and flesh cannot look God in the face and live, but they are preserved somewhere in one of God's mansions. There's enoch too. taken up.
I do not believe anyone other than the 12 apostles and the other 12 whoever they are resurrected. Only them.Quote Rev.21 [1] Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
[2] And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband;
[3] and I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling of God is with men. He will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself will be with them;
[4] he will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain any more, for the former things have passed away.”This is after the 1000 years. Why? because the earth is melted, after everything is accomplished. This is when Jesus hands back the kingdom to God. He presents his bride, all clean and white to his Father. (the kingdom is cleansed)
It says death shall be no more. This is the last enemy that is destroyed.Quote (journey42 @ Jan. 24 2013,20:37) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 24 2013,11:26) j42 Quote I will address your scriptures, and this is good, for we can take a closer look regarding what we were speaking about, …labour, the work of our hands. Is is the same labour that Zechariah is speaking of? Zecheriah was a prophet why would you take his words literally in some case and other in allegory ,
if a prophet talks the words of God then we have to connect his words to the realization of those prophetic words ,
and most of the time Christ spoke out of context any way ,says one thing but it means something else
Hi Pierre,Could you please address those scriptures in Zechariah that I mentioned, with explanations of your understanding as to why you think they have been fulfilled?.
We can do it scripture by scripture, slowly, and address each verse. I think that would be easier.
We can start with Zechariah 2:11 and go from there.
j42I am looking in to it ,but their is lot of work for me ,so be patient
I will built it up for you ,
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