A PARADOX?

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,14:37)

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,13:30) I told you both views [trinity/non-trinity] are correct, the part that is wrong, is calling the other persons view wrong. DON'T ED'S WORDS ABOVE STATE THAT he thinks it's wrong to call the other persons view wrong? Hi David, I have already explained this to you. Why are you going about beating a dead issue? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Because I don't believe you. It seems to me you are very clearly saying one thing. But you say you said something else. I am just trying to see if I am wrong or if others understand what you said as I do.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:01)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,14:35) Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,13:29) The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct. It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox. HAS ANYONE IN THE UNIVERSE OTHER THAN ED EVER STATED THIS? Hi David, Instead of trying to find out if anyone “currently” agrees with it, why don't you instead investigate whether or not it's true? I can help you in YOUR quest for “The Truth” of YHVH. God bless Ed J Hi Ed I've done that before.  And there are hundreds of threads on that subject.   This subject is unique, so let's not try to cast it away so fast.

Hi David,

The cor of this thread is whether or not both views (trinitarian and non-trinitarian) are correct.

Comparing both views to a paradox is only part of the thread, NOT it's entirety.   …are we in agreement so far?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,07:29)

The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct. It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox. I have many books on paradox's.  I am just wondering what others think of Ed's statement that he made on Feb 12th in the “Beware of Leaven” thread.   Comments?

Ed, this thread wasn't even really for you. I clearly wanted to see if anyone out there on this forum (or even, the world) agreed with you

I just found it such a bizarre statement. I don't think anyone anywhere agree with you. But, to be sure, I created this thread.

That is the stated purpose.

But, it is also an interesting topic, and if you would like to try to explain something that is almost unexplainable, have at it….

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:08)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,15:00) Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,13:29) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2012,18:37) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:40) Well, this house (this forum) is divided by countless beliefs. David, this is not a house. Just as a joint is not a body part but 2 parts, so it is with this forum. There are the sons of God and those who are not and there is the interaction between that. In fact that is the definition of a forum.  A place where things are debated or questioned. It is not a man made organisation that people sign up for who  have the same views. That is called a denomination and by reason of their structure, there is little questioning once you sign up, and so-called truth is dictated not by the Spirit, but by men at the top. And yes there will be differences of opinion even among true believers. If you do not believe that, then read the gospels. I DID READ THEM T8. Those differences were sorted out.  Some of them were sorted out because there was a governing body that decided. Here, no such authority exists. You, t8, cannot say: “This is the true belief,” because no one will believe you. This forum will NEVER sort it out.  The same topic can be raised and then raised 2 years later, 5 years later, 20 years later, countless times. And as for the question of: “Is Jesus God” for example, this is no small matter. T8, did you see my hot seat post to you from 4 months ago? Hi David, Have not Trinitarians long ago decided that their trinitarian view is true and correct. Yet that is what we are here to discuss, is it not? Nothing is resolved until it is resolved in one's own mind. The watchtower society cannot decide, for you, what is truth! YHVH is our authority here,  NOT MEN ! Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) Ed, if YHWH is our authority on this forum, where has he gone?   What authority is he using with regard to this divisive, never ending stream of contradiction? Authority is nay authority if it is accepted.  If YOU think that god has authoritatively made clear that you are right on a subject, how does he make this known to the person who is at odds with you?   I have been watching.  There have only been a handful of people who have ever had reversals of thinking on this forum.  But there have been tens of thousands of arguments unresolved.

Hi David,

Hebrew has no “W” or “J” sound, so JHVH and YHWH are both INCORRECT renderings of YHVH! (Link)

As the JW's say: 'How much poison has to be added to water to make the water poison?   …certainly less than 1/4 of its volume!

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:31)

Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,07:29) The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct. It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox. I have many books on paradox's.  I am just wondering what others think of Ed's statement that he made on Feb 12th in the “Beware of Leaven” thread.   Comments? Ed, this thread wasn't even really for you.  I clearly wanted to see if anyone out there on this forum (or even, the world) agreed with you I just found it such a bizarre statement.  I don't think anyone anywhere agree with you.  But, to be sure, I created this thread. That is the stated purpose.   But, it is also an interesting topic, and if you would like to try to explain something that is almost unexplainable, have at it….

Hi David,

So your not concerned whether or not it is true, but only who agrees.

Don't they still need to see the evidence to decide?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:31)

But, it is also an interesting topic, and if you would like to try to explain something that is almost unexplainable, have at it….

Hi David,

First point: Do you believe Scripture is written on more than one level?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,15:43)

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:31) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,07:29) The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct. It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox. I have many books on paradox's.  I am just wondering what others think of Ed's statement that he made on Feb 12th in the “Beware of Leaven” thread.   Comments? Ed, this thread wasn't even really for you.  I clearly wanted to see if anyone out there on this forum (or even, the world) agreed with you I just found it such a bizarre statement.  I don't think anyone anywhere agree with you.  But, to be sure, I created this thread. That is the stated purpose.   But, it is also an interesting topic, and if you would like to try to explain something that is almost unexplainable, have at it…. Hi David, So your not concerned whether or not it is true, but only who agrees. Don't they still need to see the evidence to decide? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed.
Did you read the last sentence of my statement that you quoted?

And, what evidence can you provide about the trinity/non-trinity that has not been provided on her countless times before?

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,15:45)

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:31) But, it is also an interesting topic, and if you would like to try to explain something that is almost unexplainable, have at it…. Hi David, First point: Do you believe Scripture is written on more than one level? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Are you going to refer to the bible code

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,15:43) Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:31) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,07:29) The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct. It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox. I have many books on paradox's.  I am just wondering what others think of Ed's statement that he made on Feb 12th in the “Beware of Leaven” thread.   Comments? Ed, this thread wasn't even really for you.  I clearly wanted to see if anyone out there on this forum (or even, the world) agreed with you I just found it such a bizarre statement.  I don't think anyone anywhere agree with you.  But, to be sure, I created this thread. That is the stated purpose.   But, it is also an interesting topic, and if you would like to try to explain something that is almost unexplainable, have at it…. Hi David, So your not concerned whether or not it is true, but only who agrees. Don't they still need to see the evidence to decide? God bless Ed J Ed. Did you read the last sentence of my statement that you quoted? And, what evidence can you provide about the trinity/non-trinity that has not been provided on her countless times before?

Hi David,

Are you willing to take a serious look at the evidence or just scoff at the possibility it is true?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:50)

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,15:45) Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,15:31) But, it is also an interesting topic, and if you would like to try to explain something that is almost unexplainable, have at it…. Hi David, First point: Do you believe Scripture is written on more than one level? God bless Ed J Are you going to refer to the bible code

Hi David,

Should you not first see the evidence before deciding it's validity? (Prob.18:13)

Prob.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Ed, I've literally spent my life studying deception. Literally. I've only recently become interested in self deception. I know how we all have a tendency to see what we want to see and to disregard the rest. I really truly believe this is what you are doing with the numbers. Picking and choosing. I know how much you want it to be true. I love the study of conspiracies and found myself wanting such things to be true as well. You can play around with random numbers and random words and assign them meaning, by picking and choosing. I know that we all do this. It's what makes us happy.

[Ed J]

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,16:13)

Ed, I've literally spent my life studying deception.  Literally.  I've only recently become interested in self deception. I know how we all have a tendency to see what we want to see and to disregard the rest.

Hi David,

Then you would be willing to look at evidence that goes contrary
to what you already have made up your mind to believe?

Or is self-decption something to hold firm to?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 13 2012,16:17)

Quote (david @ Feb. 13 2012,16:13) Ed, I've literally spent my life studying deception.  Literally.  I've only recently become interested in self deception. I know how we all have a tendency to see what we want to see and to disregard the rest. Hi David, Then you would be willing to look at evidence that goes contrary to what you already have made up your mind to believe? Or is self-decption something to hold firm to? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

The numbers, Ed?

Ed, it's about what constitutes “evidence.”

I have actually just recently spent time playing around with statistics. It seems that I can make them prove one thing, or the opposite thing, depending on how I define the word “great.”

[Ed J]

Hi David, you make lots of assumptions.

Should you not first look at the evidence to see if it qualifies as such?
Consider what the wisest man (Salomon) living on planet Earth at one time said…
Prob.18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Are you not guilty of doing this very thing?
Are you willing to look at the evidence; yes or no?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[david]

Ed, I've already looked at your evidence. Do you have new evidence? If you want to show me, we should move to an appropriate thread. I actually don't want this thread to be 23 pages of numbers.

Ed, you like math. Is .999… Repeating equal exactly and precisely to one?

[Ed J]

Hi David,

You are making more assumptions.
1. My evidence is exclusively about numbers.
2. You have already seen all the evidence I will produce.

You are wrong on both assumptions.
So I ask again, are you willing to look at
the evidence I will produce concerning this?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[kerwin]

To all,

The general answer to a paradox in one's teaching is all things are possible by God.

Of course it ignores that God will not do evil and we are too uniformed to determine what is evil in every case.

[Ed J]

Hi David,

OK, I will start a new topic for us to discuss the matter. (Click Here)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

As a side note, I would like to see how Ed thinks Trinis and Non-Trinis can both be right.

One group believes in a God made up of three distinct persons. The other in a God who has a Son that is NOT God.

How are they both right, Ed?

[david]

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As a side note, I would like to see how Ed thinks Trinis and Non-Trinis can both be right.

This is what I wonder too. But, he said it's a paradox. I'm still not sure he understands that word. I think he should have just said it's a mystery.

Example: It would be a paradox if:

“The trinity being true is what actually made it false, and it being false is what actually makes it true.”

Things like this are paradox.

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