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The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct.
It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox.I have many books on paradox's. I am just wondering what others think of Ed's statement that he made on Feb 12th in the “Beware of Leaven” thread.
Comments?
Hi David,
You 'may' NOT be concerned if others think of me as a Christian, but
yet you are, however, concerned with what others think of my views?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Reason for edit: Better understood GrammarHi David,
You do understand the meaning of a paradox; correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgParadox or not, I just don't think anyone on this forum (other than yourself) have ever made a statement like:
“The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct.”
This doesn't seem to have any of the qualities of a paradox. Paradox's are more like: “If God is a trinity, then he isn't and if he isn't, then he is.”
It seems to me, that much like Catholics with the word “mystery,” you use the word “paradox” to support something you cannot actually explain.
Does anyone else in the entire world believe as Ed does, that “The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct.”?
Hi David,
It's not a question of: if others here believe it at this point or not;
it is instead a simple question of: is this true or not; is it not?“for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.” (Eph 5:13)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgNo Ed, that is still my question.
I'm wondering if anyone else on this forum, or perhaps, anyone else in the world, believes this statement to be true:
“The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct.
It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox.”Hi David, (Mark 3:25)
Luke 12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house
(Eph.2:12-22) divided, three against two, and two against three.
Your fight is not against your Christian brothers; this is NOT wise!“if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.”
It is not your place to attempt to cast your brothers aside!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,15:15) No Ed, that is still my question. I'm wondering if anyone else on this forum, or perhaps, anyone else in the world, believes this statement to be true:
“The trinitarian and non-trinitarian views are both correct.
It can be compared to the understanding of a Paradox.”
hithis would be like saying black is withe and withe is black right ??
Trinitarian view: The non trinitarians are wrong.
Non-Trinitarian view: The trinitarians are wrong.These are two diametrically opposed statements.
If you want a paradox, try this:
The next statement is true.
The previous statement is false.We see how this is a paradox.
Or there is the one in the bible where one of their own (a creten) says: “All cretens are liars.” This would seem to some to be a paradox, because if a creten says all cretens are liars, then how can we believe him. (Others argue it's not a true paradox. It doesn't say: “all cretens only lie all the time,”)
Anyway, things like this, are paradoxes.
But something like this:
God is a trinity
God isn't a trinityAre two very different things.
Quote Your fight is not against your Christian brothers; this is NOT wise! My fight really truly only is with what I perceive to be the inconsistency of your argument. (not the argument of this thread)
You are absolutely right:
“if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.”
Well, this house (this forum) is divided by countless beliefs. That in fact is why it exists at all. The people who make up this house, cannot all stand. They are divided by belief.
Ed, there is perhaps no one in the entire world that believes the exact things you do about the Bible. Does this mean that you are wrong, or that they are wrong? Or, are you both right about things, despite saying opposite things? Please do not say it is another paradox.
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Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:31) If you want a paradox, try this: (1)The next statement is true.
(2)The previous statement is false.We see how this is a paradox.
Hi David, excellent!Since both statements are equally true,
you “should” be able to see my point then.Perhaps WE will bring this dichotomy to light!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI was thinking the same thing, David. Is your example truly a paradox, since both statements are true?
But no, I don't think anyone in the world but Ed believe some of the things Ed believes – including his belief that both Trinitarians and non-Trinitarians can both be right.
Hi David,
Eph. 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every
wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
2 Tim. 3:13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.Deut 32:1-3 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb,
and as the showers upon the grass: 3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,09:06) Quote (david @ Feb. 12 2012,08:31) If you want a paradox, try this: (1)The next statement is true.
(2)The previous statement is false.We see how this is a paradox.
Hi David, excellent!Since both statements are equally true,
you “should” be able to see my point then.Perhaps WE will bring this dichotomy to light!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
No, Ed, it's a paradox, because if you go through the cycle, each of the statements goes from being true to false to true to false…If your idea was a paradox, perhaps you should say that the trinity/non-trinity ideas are both true and both false at the same time.
Hi David,
I told you both views are correct,
the part that is wrong, is calling
the other persons view wrong.Perhaps you are still having difficulty in this? (see Matt.7:1)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgI told you both views are correct,
the part that is wrong, is calling
the other persons view wrong.–Ed.So, you are going to stop calling other peoples views wrong?
If that is “judging” others, then does that mean you are done commenting on this forum?
And I know you told me that both views (trinitarianism/non-trinitarinism) are correct.
If both views are correct, and no one else believes that BOTH are correct, then you are the only one who has this right. That seems unlikely to me.
Hi David,
It's my place to show others “The Truth”.
And it's God's place to get them to
believe the truth, not mine.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,16:49) Hi David, It's my place to show others “The Truth”.
And it's God's place to get them to
believe the truth, not mine.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ok, but could you comment on your words:I told you both views are correct,
the part that is wrong, is calling
the other persons view wrong.You seem to be saying that it “is wrong” to call an “other persons view wrong”?
Yet, we (including you) do this all the time on this forum.
Hi David,
If the other persons view is correct, then it would be wrong
to call them wrong; are you having trouble understanding this?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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