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Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2014,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2014,22:40) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2014,10:03) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2014,09:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2014,22:10) k Quote T, I can speculate that I was hoping to see a related conversation as wakeup believes that the literal utterance of God was God himself and then became something else before it became a human being. I was disappointed.
tell me what make you so much against the scriptures that says that Christ was THE SON OF GOD ,AND THAT HE WAS THE FIRST OF ALL CREATION
(COL;1;15-21)
T,I object to your perception of Scriptures not to Scriptures. I don't agree with wakeup's perception but this thread is a good place to discus it. The choice of some to worship the AV version of the KJV can be discussed on other threads.
K
Tell which part I have wrong ,but do it with scriptures
T,Since you choose not to believe Scriptures then why would you believe me.
I have spoken in the past and in other places and you have not believed my arguments and I have none to add to them as yet,
Ki ALWAYS BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ,BUT WITHOUT OF ADDED OPINION ,
SO DO NO SAY THAT I REJECT SCRIPTURES ,
SO SHOW ME IF YOU CAN ,BUT NO OPINION ,
T,I said what I said and I have nothing to add or subtract.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2014,00:26) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2014,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2014,22:40) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2014,10:03) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2014,09:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2014,22:10) k Quote T, I can speculate that I was hoping to see a related conversation as wakeup believes that the literal utterance of God was God himself and then became something else before it became a human being. I was disappointed.
tell me what make you so much against the scriptures that says that Christ was THE SON OF GOD ,AND THAT HE WAS THE FIRST OF ALL CREATION
(COL;1;15-21)
T,I object to your perception of Scriptures not to Scriptures. I don't agree with wakeup's perception but this thread is a good place to discus it. The choice of some to worship the AV version of the KJV can be discussed on other threads.
K
Tell which part I have wrong ,but do it with scriptures
T,Since you choose not to believe Scriptures then why would you believe me.
I have spoken in the past and in other places and you have not believed my arguments and I have none to add to them as yet,
Ki ALWAYS BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ,BUT WITHOUT OF ADDED OPINION ,
SO DO NO SAY THAT I REJECT SCRIPTURES ,
SO SHOW ME IF YOU CAN ,BUT NO OPINION ,
T,I said what I said and I have nothing to add or subtract.
kwell that it I guess
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 15 2014,01:42) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2014,00:26) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2014,23:09) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2014,22:40) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 14 2014,10:03) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2014,09:01) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 13 2014,22:10) k Quote T, I can speculate that I was hoping to see a related conversation as wakeup believes that the literal utterance of God was God himself and then became something else before it became a human being. I was disappointed.
tell me what make you so much against the scriptures that says that Christ was THE SON OF GOD ,AND THAT HE WAS THE FIRST OF ALL CREATION
(COL;1;15-21)
T,I object to your perception of Scriptures not to Scriptures. I don't agree with wakeup's perception but this thread is a good place to discus it. The choice of some to worship the AV version of the KJV can be discussed on other threads.
K
Tell which part I have wrong ,but do it with scriptures
T,Since you choose not to believe Scriptures then why would you believe me.
I have spoken in the past and in other places and you have not believed my arguments and I have none to add to them as yet,
Ki ALWAYS BELIEVE SCRIPTURES ,BUT WITHOUT OF ADDED OPINION ,
SO DO NO SAY THAT I REJECT SCRIPTURES ,
SO SHOW ME IF YOU CAN ,BUT NO OPINION ,
T,I said what I said and I have nothing to add or subtract.
kwell that it I guess
T,Until I come up with something new or feel like going over old ground.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2014,11:58) Mike B. The fact here is that you believe that God
DONT have the power to preserve His Word.
Hey Wakeup,I'd also like to see you discuss your understanding that a literal utterance from God's mouth became a living breathing being other than God.
You and Kerwin both believe “the Word” started off existence as a literal word (or words) that God spoke.
Why not discuss it with him on this thread….. like he's asking you to?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2014,08:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2014,11:58) Mike B. The fact here is that you believe that God
DONT have the power to preserve His Word.
Hey Wakeup,I'd also like to see you discuss your understanding that a literal utterance from God's mouth became a living breathing being other than God.
You and Kerwin both believe “the Word” started off existence as a literal word (or words) that God spoke.
Why not discuss it with him on this thread….. like he's asking you to?
MikeB.You dont believe that God can give *HisownWord*
a form. That is too much to take for you.
That is beyond your comprehension.I believe that God gave *Hisownword* a form as himself.
And they had glory together creating all things.
This is the mystery revealed to you,but you can not comprehend.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2014,19:14) MikeB. You dont believe that God can give *HisownWord*
a form. That is too much to take for you.
That is beyond your comprehension.
I believe it's ludicrous to think that God spoke a word (or words) out of His mouth, and that word (or words) became a living breathing being other than God. And then that word (or words) went around creating everything, while God Himself created nothing.I also believe it's ludicrous to think that this word (or words) was eternally existing, when you yourself say it (or they) didn't BECOME a living breathing entity UNTIL God spoke it (or them).
Your own claims show that – whatever the Word is – it had a BEGINNING.
It seems we both believe in a living breathing being who was brought forth (given its beginning) by God at some point long ago.
I believe that living breathing entity was the firstborn of all creation, and the beginning of the creation by God………. things that are said in scripture about “Jesus Christ, the Word of God”.
You believe that living breathing entity used to actually BE God Himself, and that God CHANGED, and split into two………. something that is NOT said in any scripture, and is also directly CONTRADICTED by the scriptures that say God never changes.
So which one of us has scripture on our side?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2014,08:25) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 14 2014,11:58) Mike B. The fact here is that you believe that God
DONT have the power to preserve His Word.
Hey Wakeup,I'd also like to see you discuss your understanding that a literal utterance from God's mouth became a living breathing being other than God.
You and Kerwin both believe “the Word” started off existence as a literal word (or words) that God spoke.
Why not discuss it with him on this thread….. like he's asking you to?
Mike B.Quote
I'd also like to see you discuss your understanding that a literal utterance from God's mouth became a living breathing being other than God.If you can not believe that;Then you will also not believe how God can give us a spirit body in the resurrection.
What is the basic ingredient to create a spirit body?
Can you comprehend that?Quote
You and Kerwin both believe “the Word” started off existence as a literal word (or words) that God spoke.
Why not discuss it with him on this thread….. like he's asking you to?Just as the Word of God is in us.
Because we have been feeding ourslves with it.
So our new body will be made of that substance;
Spirit.God's image was made of that same substance also.
Which is His Word. A being,spirit being.Think of the resurrection. Of what substance will the body
consist? Of Spirit: The Word of God is Spirit.
We also will be in God.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2014,20:15) What say YOU, Kerwin?
Mike,Accept for where your own and my doctrines are different I agree.
For example:
I believe it's ludicrous to think that God spoke a word (or words) out of His mouth, and that word (or words) became a living breathing being other than God. And then that word (or words) went around creating everything, while God Himself created nothing.
That statement is correct.
K
But it says God created The Word ,not the vocabulary ,this is ridiculous no???
This would mean the great God almighty does not speak,you may as we'll say that God created God himself ,
True, Pierre.
Wakeup attributes ALL of God's spoken words to a living breathing being OTHER THAN God Himself.
He seems to think that God spoke a being out of His mouth, and has from that time on been completely silent, letting this new being do all the talking for Him.
Wakeup's God seems to be a mute.
Mike
one thing also puzzles me with wakeup, it is that he make GOD A BREATHING BEING ,that would make God a human or a citizen of the earth ,I have no clue where those guy's getting those stories ,
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 16 2014,15:47) Mike one thing also puzzles me with wakeup, it is that he make GOD A BREATHING BEING……….
I think he teaches that God “split into two pieces”, and one of the pieces remained “God”, while the other piece became “the Word of God”.But even as two pieces, they are BOTH still “God” – and both are to be worshiped by us.
I know he doesn't mean to spout such gibberish, but he can't see any other choice, because he's tied into that faulty KJV translation, “and the Word was God”.
Hey Wakeup, “God” cannot possibly be WITH “God”!
Mike B.
I know that you will not answer this simple question also.
Like many others.How would the dead christians be resurrected?
On what substance will they be given a new form?wakeup.
from;wakeup
Quote You have failed to perceive the it was the Word of God
speaking from the beginning of the world.
Also in the garden.Ge 3:8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
it seems that some people like to make God come to earth to meet man
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2014,18:17) Mike B. I know that you will not answer this simple question also.
Like many others.
I will answer each and every question you ask – if you do it one at a time, Wakeup.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2014,18:17) How would the dead christians be resurrected?
On what substance will they be given a new form?
The bodies of the resurrected that are to live in heaven will consist of spirit, like the angels' bodies.Those who are resurrected to eternal life on the new earth will have perfect flesh, blood and bone bodies like Adam had at creation.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 18 2014,09:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2014,18:17) Mike B. I know that you will not answer this simple question also.
Like many others.
I will answer each and every question you ask – if you do it one at a time, Wakeup.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2014,18:17) How would the dead christians be resurrected?
On what substance will they be given a new form?
The bodies of the resurrected that are to live in heaven will consist of spirit, like the angels' bodies.Those who are resurrected to eternal life on the new earth will have perfect flesh, blood and bone bodies like Adam had at creation.
Mike B.My question was.
Of what *substance* will the resurrected be given a form/body.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 18 2014,06:38) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 18 2014,09:37) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2014,18:17) Mike B. I know that you will not answer this simple question also.
Like many others.
I will answer each and every question you ask – if you do it one at a time, Wakeup.Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 16 2014,18:17) How would the dead christians be resurrected?
On what substance will they be given a new form?
The bodies of the resurrected that are to live in heaven will consist of spirit, like the angels' bodies.Those who are resurrected to eternal life on the new earth will have perfect flesh, blood and bone bodies like Adam had at creation.
Mike B.My question was.
Of what *substance* will the resurrected be given a form/body.
wakeup.
wdo you know any substance description in the scriptures ,other than like angels or flesh and blood but like angel for reproduction,?
please show it
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