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Quote (Wakeup @ July 25 2012,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,09:12) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,21:54) So,what does Jesus really mean when he said; before Abraham was,I AM. wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“Father Abraham rejoiced to see my day:
and he saw it, and was glad.” (John 8:56)The problem (Lucifer) existed before Abraham.
Jesus day was the destruction of the great i am.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Can you please comment on these scruptures?
Isiah14.
12. How art thou fallen FROM HEAVEN,O,Lucifer,son of the morning! how art thou CUT DOWN to the ground,which did weaken the nations!13. For thou has said in thine heart.I will ascend into heaven,I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,in the sides of the north:
14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high.
15. Yet thou shall be brought down to hell,to the sides of the pit.
16. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,and consider thee ,saying,is this the man that made the earth to
tremble,That did shake kingdoms.17. hat made the world as a wilderness,and destroyed the cities thereof; that open not the house of his prisoners?
wakeup.
Wakeup……….Let me paraphrase this for you. The “MESSAGE” by way of a Proverb or a (factious illustration) was sent to the “KING” of Babylon .!2….. How are you fallen from Heaven (Sky or high Place) “O Lucifer (rising Star) Sun of the Morning (the Sun) ! how are you cut Down to the Ground, which did weaken the Nations, (by conquering them)
13 ….For you have said “IN YOUR HEART”, I will ascend (as a rising star) into Heaven (high place) , I will exalt my “THRONE” above the Stars of GOD , (he thought this in his heart) : I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.
14……..I will ascent above the heights of the Clouds; I will be Like the Most High. (he is in his heart or mind saying this)
15…….Yet you shall be brought down to Hell (the grave), to the sides of the Pit.
16……. They that “SEE” you shall narrowly look upon you, and consider you, saying , is this (now Notice) the “man” that made the earth tremble, That did Shake Kingdoms. ………….>
This “PROVERB” was for and about the KING of Babylon and no one Else .
AS i have said over and over here reading things into Scriptures is the cause of a lot of confusion Wakeup> IMO
peace and Love to you and your Wakeup……………………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 26 2012,02:09) Quote (Wakeup @ July 25 2012,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,09:12) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,21:54) So,what does Jesus really mean when he said; before Abraham was,I AM. wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“Father Abraham rejoiced to see my day:
and he saw it, and was glad.” (John 8:56)The problem (Lucifer) existed before Abraham.
Jesus day was the destruction of the great i am.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Can you please comment on these scruptures?
Isiah14.
12. How art thou fallen FROM HEAVEN,O,Lucifer,son of the morning! how art thou CUT DOWN to the ground,which did weaken the nations!13. For thou has said in thine heart.I will ascend into heaven,I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,in the sides of the north:
14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high.
15. Yet thou shall be brought down to hell,to the sides of the pit.
16. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,and consider thee ,saying,is this the man that made the earth to
tremble,That did shake kingdoms.17. hat made the world as a wilderness,and destroyed the cities thereof; that open not the house of his prisoners?
wakeup.
Wakeup……….Let me paraphrase this for you. The “MESSAGE” by way of a Proverb or a (factious illustration) was sent to the “KING” of Babylon .!2….. How are you fallen from Heaven (Sky or high Place) “O Lucifer (rising Star) Sun of the Morning (the Sun) ! how are you cut Down to the Ground, which did weaken the Nations, (by conquering them)
13 ….For you have said “IN YOUR HEART”, I will ascend (as a rising star) into Heaven (high place) , I will exalt my “THRONE” above the Stars of GOD , (he thought this in his heart) : I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.
14……..I will ascent above the heights of the Clouds; I will be Like the Most High. (he is in his heart or mind saying this)
15…….Yet you shall be brought down to Hell (the grave), to the sides of the Pit.
16……. They that “SEE” you shall narrowly look upon you, and consider you, saying , is this (now Notice) the “man” that made the earth tremble, That did Shake Kingdoms. ………….>
This “PROVERB” was for and about the KING of Babylon and no one Else .
AS i have said over and over here reading things into Scriptures is the cause of a lot of confusion Wakeup> IMO
peace and Love to you and your Wakeup……………………………gene
GeneB.Interesting,but no sale.
ISIAH 14:12.
HOW ART THOU FALLEN FROM HEAVEN O' LUCIFER,SON OF THE MORNIG—Jer.28:13. Thou has been in EDEN the garden Of God—-
verse14. Thou are the anointed cherub that covered; I HAVE SET THEE SO.—-
VERSE16. —I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God,and I will destroy thee o'covering CHERUB,FROM THE MIDS OF THE STONES OF FIRE.
VERSE 17. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty,thou has corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:—–
wakeup.
We're on the correct thread here!
Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,03:58)
VERSE16. —I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God
Hi Wakeup,– i am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live – (Gal 2:20)
– I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. – (Nahum 1:14)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 26 2012,05:03) We're on the correct thread here! Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,03:58)
VERSE16. —I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God
Hi Wakeup,– i am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live – (Gal 2:20)
– I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. – (Nahum 1:14)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.Stay on the subject now ,dont start making diversions.
Who was the anointed cherub?
who has been in eden?
Who walken amongst the stones of fire?
Who wanted to be like God?
who is the one full of wisdom and perfect in beauty?
You need to be thorough in answering this.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,03:58) 16……. They that “SEE” you shall narrowly look upon you, and consider you, saying , is this (now Notice) the “man” that made the earth tremble, That did Shake Kingdoms. ………….>
Wakeup………Why do you and others ignore this part the “MAN” that made the earth tremble . You not understanding that God used a “proverb” (factious illustration) to present to the King of Babylon by the hand of the Prophet Ezekiel.Lets deal with the man Part and the proverbs part, before we start making all kinds of speculations about the metaphors us by God.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………gen
Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,22:40) Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2012,05:03) We're on the correct thread here! Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,03:58)
VERSE16. —I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God
Hi Wakeup,– i am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live – (Gal 2:20)
– I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. – (Nahum 1:14)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.Stay on the subject now ,dont start making diversions.
wakeup.
That is the subject – have you forgotten?Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,22:40) EDj. Who was the anointed cherub?
who has been in eden?
Who walken amongst the stones of fire?
Who wanted to be like God?
who is the one full of wisdom and perfect in beauty?
You need to be thorough in answering this.wakeup.
Answer – LuciferQuote (Gene Balthrop @ July 27 2012,02:21) Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,03:58) 16……. They that “SEE” you shall narrowly look upon you, and consider you, saying , is this (now Notice) the “man” that made the earth tremble, That did Shake Kingdoms. ………….>
Wakeup………Why do you and others ignore this part the “MAN” that made the earth tremble . You not understanding that God used a “proverb” (factious illustration) to present to the King of Babylon by the hand of the Prophet Ezekiel.Lets deal with the man Part and the proverbs part, before we start making all kinds of speculations about the metaphors us by God.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………gen
(Link)Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,10:58) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 26 2012,02:09) Quote (Wakeup @ July 25 2012,12:18) Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2012,09:12) Quote (Wakeup @ July 24 2012,21:54) So,what does Jesus really mean when he said; before Abraham was,I AM. wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,“Father Abraham rejoiced to see my day:
and he saw it, and was glad.” (John 8:56)The problem (Lucifer) existed before Abraham.
Jesus day was the destruction of the great i am.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.Can you please comment on these scruptures?
Isiah14.
12. How art thou fallen FROM HEAVEN,O,Lucifer,son of the morning! how art thou CUT DOWN to the ground,which did weaken the nations!13. For thou has said in thine heart.I will ascend into heaven,I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,in the sides of the north:
14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most high.
15. Yet thou shall be brought down to hell,to the sides of the pit.
16. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,and consider thee ,saying,is this the man that made the earth to
tremble,That did shake kingdoms.17. hat made the world as a wilderness,and destroyed the cities thereof; that open not the house of his prisoners?
wakeup.
Wakeup……….Let me paraphrase this for you. The “MESSAGE” by way of a Proverb or a (factious illustration) was sent to the “KING” of Babylon .!2….. How are you fallen from Heaven (Sky or high Place) “O Lucifer (rising Star) Sun of the Morning (the Sun) ! how are you cut Down to the Ground, which did weaken the Nations, (by conquering them)
13 ….For you have said “IN YOUR HEART”, I will ascend (as a rising star) into Heaven (high place) , I will exalt my “THRONE” above the Stars of GOD , (he thought this in his heart) : I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north.
14……..I will ascent above the heights of the Clouds; I will be Like the Most High. (he is in his heart or mind saying this)
15…….Yet you shall be brought down to Hell (the grave), to the sides of the Pit.
16……. They that “SEE” you shall narrowly look upon you, and consider you, saying , is this (now Notice) the “man” that made the earth tremble, That did Shake Kingdoms. ………….>
This “PROVERB” was for and about the KING of Babylon and no one Else .
AS i have said over and over here reading things into Scriptures is the cause of a lot of confusion Wakeup> IMO
peace and Love to you and your Wakeup……………………………gene
GeneB.Interesting,but no sale.
ISIAH 14:12.
HOW ART THOU FALLEN FROM HEAVEN O' LUCIFER,SON OF THE MORNIG—Jer.28:13. Thou has been in EDEN the garden Of God—-
verse14. Thou are the anointed cherub that covered; I HAVE SET THEE SO.—-
VERSE16. —I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God,and I will destroy thee o'covering CHERUB,FROM THE MIDS OF THE STONES OF FIRE.
VERSE 17. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty,thou has corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness:—–
wakeup.
wakeupEzekiel 28 ;12…..
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 27 2012,02:21) Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,03:58) 16……. They that “SEE” you shall narrowly look upon you, and consider you, saying , is this (now Notice) the “man” that made the earth tremble, That did Shake Kingdoms. ………….>
Wakeup………Why do you and others ignore this part the “MAN” that made the earth tremble . You not understanding that God used a “proverb” (factious illustration) to present to the King of Babylon by the hand of the Prophet Ezekiel.Lets deal with the man Part and the proverbs part, before we start making all kinds of speculations about the metaphors us by God.
peace and love to you and yours………………………………………gen
GeneB.I am not ignoring anything.
First of all you must understand that some prophesies has a dual meaning.
In isiah God was speaking to the king of babylon and satan inside him.(speaking to both).
And in Eziekiel God was speaking to the king of tyrus and satan also inside him.The king of tyrus was a very proud and prosperous king. (but he is just a man).
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 27 2012,08:56) First of all you must understand that some prophesies has a dual meaning.
Excellent!Quote (Ed J @ July 26 2012,05:03) We're on the correct thread here! Quote (Wakeup @ July 26 2012,03:58)
VERSE16. —I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God
Hi Wakeup,– i am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live – (Gal 2:20)
– I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. – (Nahum 1:14)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.If satan is the –I am–,and he was destroyed at the crucifixion, than surely death itself is conquerred.
O' DEATH WHERE IS YOUR STING?But man have been dying still; for this last 2000years?
can you explain?wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, (HCBC Chapter 7) (Link to Isaiah 14:19-20 thread)
Jesus=74 was responsible for an absolutely remarkable occurrence at the crucifixion [†];
evil was forever separated from the “GOD Spirit”. With Jesus’ death, a separation occurred
between the spirits of (‘Lucifer’=74 & GOD Spirit=117). Jesus said to GOD the Father=117, “Father,
if thou be willing, remove this [crucifixion] from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine (GOD’s Will=101), be done.” (Luke 22:42)Jesus said “I have meat to eat that ye know not of.” Jesus also saith unto them,
“My meat is to do the will of Him that sent Me, and to finish His work.” (John 4:32-34)
The work that Jesus finished was this separation in Himself made between {Lucifer=74}
and the [GOD Spirit=117], which occurred at His death. Jesus also said, “Father, into thy hands
I commend my Spirit.” (Luke 23:46) Jesus then said, “it is finished”; as Jesus bowed his head, and gave up
the Holy Spirit=151, (John 19:30) Lucifer=74 and his influence were to be forever finished=74, because Jesus was crucified at Calvary.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)EDJ……….So when the roman Solider came to take Jesus and ask which one was Him and he said I AM That meant He was you Satan? It says they fell backward and many think that meant because he was the Great I AM, GOD ,but they fell to understand, the Solders fell backward and Prepared for an attack by his disciples. The term to fall backward is a military term to group and prepare for an attack. So much speculations Here. Now we have “dual” MEANINGS to things. I guess any thing goes to fit our imaginations right? As if thing aren't complicated enough with the Greek Translations we have. There is not so much as one word in scripture that say “I AM”, is a LUCIFER or a SATAN> Just like there is not One Scripture that say God PUT a “FREEWILL” (IN) anyone. It is no wonder to me in Revelations it says “Mystery Babylon the GREAT” There is indeed much 'Babylon or (confusion) in Christendom today. IMO
peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………………………………………………..gene
Quote (Wakeup @ July 27 2012,08:56) I am not ignoring anything. First of all you must understand that some prophesies has a dual meaning.
In isiah God was speaking to the king of babylon and satan inside him.(speaking to both).
And in Eziekiel God was speaking to the king of tyrus and satan also inside him.The king of tyrus was a very proud and prosperous king. (but he is just a man).
Wakeup……….Please Post a single Scripture that says God was talking to a Man and a Satan “IN” him.The key to understand the Language of that dialog is as I said the Word (proverb). No where did God say he was talking to two “Beings” at the same time> That is (SPECULATION) Based on no PROOF at all> IMO
take up a Proverb (factious Illustration) to the King of Babylon and The King of Tyrus both were Kings, Men who may have been under the influence of a Satan (SPIRIT) but so is the whole world as far as the goes. There is no dual meanings there, there is only a Proverb a (factious Illustration) that draws analogies to their “PRIDE” It is Metaphoric language of those Kings only and nothing else. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Quote (Ed J @ July 27 2012,10:02) Hi Wakeup, (HCBC Chapter 7) (Link to Isaiah 14:19-20 thread) Jesus=74 was responsible for an absolutely remarkable occurrence at the crucifixion [†];
evil was forever separated from the “GOD Spirit”. With Jesus’ death, a separation occurred
between the spirits of (‘Lucifer’=74 & GOD Spirit=117). Jesus said to GOD the Father=117, “Father,
if thou be willing, remove this [crucifixion] from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine (GOD’s Will=101), be done.” (Luke 22:42)Jesus said “I have meat to eat that ye know not of.” Jesus also saith unto them,
“My meat is to do the will of Him that sent Me, and to finish His work.” (John 4:32-34)
The work that Jesus finished was this separation in Himself made between {Lucifer=74}
and the [GOD Spirit=117], which occurred at His death. Jesus also said, “Father, into thy hands
I commend my Spirit.” (Luke 23:46) Jesus then said, “it is finished”; as Jesus bowed his head, and gave up
the Holy Spirit=151, (John 19:30) Lucifer=74 and his influence were to be forever finished=74, because Jesus was crucified at Calvary.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)
EDJ.My mind is even more boggled.
what has all that got to do with the prices of eggs?Just answer a simple question with a simple answer.
Dont get slippery.wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 27 2012,10:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 27 2012,08:56) I am not ignoring anything. First of all you must understand that some prophesies has a dual meaning.
In isiah God was speaking to the king of babylon and satan inside him.(speaking to both).
And in Eziekiel God was speaking to the king of tyrus and satan also inside him.The king of tyrus was a very proud and prosperous king. (but he is just a man).
Wakeup……….Please Post a single Scripture that says God was talking to a Man and a Satan “IN” him.The key to understand the Language of that dialog is as I said the Word (proverb). No where did God say he was talking to two “Beings” at the same time> That is (SPECULATION) Based on no PROOF at all> IMO
take up a Proverb (factious Illustration) to the King of Babylon and The King of Tyrus both were Kings, Men who may have been under the influence of a Satan (SPIRIT) but so is the whole world as far as the goes. There is no dual meanings there, there is only a Proverb a (factious Illustration) that draws analogies to their “PRIDE” It is Metaphoric language of those Kings only and nothing else. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………………….gene
Gene b.brother.I dont know why is it so brother.
Here is one just for you.Hope you will swollow this one;not for my sake.
Daniel 8:23. AND IN LATTER TIME of their kingdom,WHEN THE TRANSGRESSORS ARE COME TO THE–FULL–(end time).
a KING (a man) of fierce countenance and understanding dark sentences shall stand up.8:24. AND HIS(a man) POWER shall be MIGHTY, BUT NOT HIS OWN POWER; (SATANS POWER) and he(this man) shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper and practise and shall destroy the mighty and holy people.
Revelation13:2. —-and the dragon(satan) gave him his power,and HIS SEAT(THRONE),AND GREAT AUTHORITY.(to this man king).
Can you respond please,with honesty?
wakeup.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 27 2012,10:38) EDJ……….So when the roman Solider came to take Jesus and ask which one was Him and he said I AM That meant He was you Satan? peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………………………………………………..gene
Hi Gene, ('i am' is (satan) the false god of religion)John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou (YHVH) gavest me to do. (Link)
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Wakeup @ July 27 2012,12:11) EDJ. Just answer a simple question with a simple answer.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,What question?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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