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‘i am’ is Lucifer’s ‘title’, systems of religion says otherwise
Here are some starting verses, to get this discussion going.
1Tm.1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom i am chief.Job 40:1-5 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him?
he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered
the LORD, and said, Behold, i am vile; what shall I answer
thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken;
but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThis title (i am) has even infiltrated into the Church, causing much division therein.
Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my (Christian) name,
saying, i am; and shall deceive many.2Thess.2:1-4 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together
unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as
from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who
opposeth and exalteth himself above (YHVH=63) all that is “called God”=63, or that is worshipped;
so that he as (i am)God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he(Lucifer) is God.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgWhy is this important?
Isaiah 14:12-15 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou
hast said in thine heart(Ez.28:2), I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne
above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the
sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like
the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith ;
Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, 'i am' a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the
midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgED J………Jesus is being displayed as a GOD, that is creating a MAN OF SIN, anyone Who thinks His Will is “FREE” is a GOD unto himself, “know you not that your (ARE) the temples of the living GOD”. But man takes his stand in this temple not as a son of GOD, but as A GOD Himself and this is very easily seen by his attachment to HIS (so-called) “FREE” WILL. In that kind of thinking Man has taken his position as a GOD unto himself. As long as a man abides this way He will abide alone He must first Die (to Self) and them live (WITH) GOD together in the temple God gives him with GOD. Free will ideology is the very (Adversary) or Satan to GOD and it is Man HIMSELF> Not some spook running around jumping in and out of People. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2010,07:45) ‘i am’ is Lucifer’s ‘title’, systems of religion says otherwise Here are some starting verses, to get this discussion going.
1Tm.1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom i am chief.Job 40:1-5 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him?
he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered
the LORD, and said, Behold, i am vile; what shall I answer
thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken;
but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
What is the significance of “I Am”? Oh yes, I remember that is the way some English translators wrongly translate EYAH.
The actual proper translation would be I exist. kind of puts a different light on the subject.Quote (martian @ July 09 2010,08:03) What is the significance of “I Am”? Oh yes, I remember that is the way some English translators wrongly translate EYAH.
The actual proper translation would be I exist. kind of puts a different light on the subject.
Hi Martian,Lucifer is ‘the problem’ that has coerced the AKJV translators to perpetuate
a name-distancing title-substitution, ‘the mother of all deceptions’. Current
divisions of the church trace back to ‘the incorrect’ English translation of
[אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh. Although the King James transcribers
translated this phrase into ‘I AM THAT I AM’, it is the Greek where this
erroneous phraseology originates. The Septuagint Bible is the first to
use this ‘I AM’ phraseology as {εγω ειμι} in Exodus 3:14. The AKJV
correctly translated [“אהיה”] into English as [“I WILL”] hundreds of times.The King James translators would have had to transcribe this Hebrew
phrase אהיה אשר אהיה, into “I Will That I Will” or “I Will What I Will”,
because of the strict “word for word” translating parameters.
Neither of these phrases makes much sense in English, so instead
they derived the English verse from the Greek Septuagint Bible. The English
AKJV transcribers should have translated this phrase אהיה אשר אהיה instead to
“I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE”; but because of the strict parameters, the AKJV
instead mislabeled this future tense TRUTH (“I will become what I will become”),
into a present tense lie {‘I am that I am’}. The phrase ‘I am’ cannot be translated
back into Hebrew. As a matter of fact if the Hebrew doesn’t have a word for something,
they believe that it doesn’t exist. ‘I am’ has become ‘the false god of religion’. (2Thess. 2:4 / Ezekiel 28:2)Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ July 09 2010,07:55) Hi ED,
How often does LUCIFER occur in the bible?
Once?
Hi Nick,Lucifer (meaning morning star) is referenced in many places in the bible,
2 times as morning star (which is the definition of Lucifer's name), 4 times as leviathan,
36 times as dragon, 49 times as serpent, 51 times as Satan(meaning accuser) and 104 times as devil!Luke's name 'only' occurs twice by name and Clement' name
only occurs once in the bible so what's your point?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (martian @ July 09 2010,08:03) What is the significance of “I Am”? Oh yes, I remember that is the way some English translators wrongly translate EYAH.
The actual proper translation would be I exist. kind of puts a different light on the subject.
Hi Martian,YHVH means: Causes to become.
So when Moses Asked Him His name, he said…
[אהיה אשר אהיה] ěhyäh ăsher ěhyäh, which translates into English as…
“I will be what I will be” or “I will be that I will be“YHVH=63 and “will be”=63
Theomatics(numbers relating to God) clearly illustrate who God is.
The Divine=63 Deity=63 of The Bible=63 is YHVH=63.
[יהוה] translates directly into English as YHVH.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgED J ……….Martian is right the actual Hebrew is He Exists, not I am , for the word EVAH .
peace and love…………………..gene
Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2010,07:45) ‘i am’ is Lucifer’s ‘title’, systems of religion says otherwise Here are some starting verses, to get this discussion going.
1Tm.1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom i am chief.Job 40:1-5 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him?
he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered
the LORD, and said, Behold, i am vile; what shall I answer
thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken;
but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I am Ed J.Hi Ed. Youngs literal translation….
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob..Matthew 22:32
Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2010,07:45) ‘i am’ is Lucifer’s ‘title’, systems of religion says otherwise Here are some starting verses, to get this discussion going.
1Tm.1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that
Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom i am chief.Job 40:1-5 Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,
Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him?
he that reproveth God, let him answer it. Then Job answered
the LORD, and said, Behold, i am vile; what shall I answer
thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. Once have I spoken;
but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Greetings Edj…..Jesus came first to the Jews, and through the apostles his Gospel ( the good news ) was brought to the gentile….Jesus came to fullfill law not to change it and it is through the law we have an opportunity for salvation….We are all sinners if Jesus came to save the sinners than he must have failed,( we know there is no failure in the nature of God,)simply because we are all still sinners…To all……Back to the thread……….> the word I am has nothing to do with the word Lucifier at all. The word Lucifer means rising star as the king of Babylon was before God cut him down, It has nothing to do with an elusive (BEING) called a devil,or a Satan. Pure apostate teachings. There is (NO) devil or Satan (BEING) GOING AROUND JUMPING IN AND OUT OF people, we are the only adversaries on this earth of GOD, man is the only Satan there exists on this earth. Man is the( prince) of the powers of the air (which transfers words ) and rules in high places in the kingdoms of this earth, not some elusive being of some kind but man himself is the adversary or Satan of GOD. Jodi has rightly posted this, go back and reread it and think about what she said.IMO
peace and love to you and yours…………………..gene
Quote (karmarie @ July 09 2010,23:46) Hi Ed. Youngs literal translation…. I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob..Matthew 22:32
Hi Karmarie,Mark 13:6 For many shall come in my (Christian) name,
saying, 'i am'; and shall deceive many.Here is how that translates from the Hebrew directly into English…
You shouldn't let translational errors become a 'stumblingblock' to you. (Rev.2:14 / 2Peter 3:16)Ex.3:6 Moreover he said,
I the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed
Young's Literal Translation of exodus 3:6
He saith also, 'I am the God of thy father, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob;' and Moses hideth his face, for he is afraid to look towards God.Ed, which translation is correct?
Youngs literal would be more accurate would it not?
Quote (karmarie @ July 10 2010,09:09) Hi Ed Young's Literal Translation of exodus 3:6
He saith also, 'I am the God of thy father, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob;' and Moses hideth his face, for he is afraid to look towards God.Ed, which translation is correct?
Youngs literal would be more accurate would it not?
Hi Karmarie,Hebrew is an exact language, one that was NOT manipulated by man;
the same cannot be said for either Greek or English. The AKJV Bible was
translated using very strict English “word for word” translating parameters.In 1603 King James I Authorized 54 Godly Bible scholars and educated men
to take on the task of going back to the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts
and do a “word for word” translation. This had never been done before, as most
Bibles of that time were translations of translations. King James I wanted a non-biased
translation of the purest form, God’s word (the Bible) produced directly from the original texts.The AKJV Bible has made use of italicized words, to help clarify translational differences,
“words added” to the ORIGINAL TEXTS. These words are italicized to avoid the accidental
corrupting of GOD’s word; because these linguists realized that the ‘added words’ might alter
the very meanings that GOD had intended. Translational problems have indeed corrupted the
Word of God causing many divisions in the Church. Prompting some denominations and offshoots
of Christianity to write their own versions of the Bible. In most cases, their teaching grew out of
existing religious ideas. But for these groups, the AKJV Bible had become unsatisfactory and had to
be changed or modified in one way or another (massaging it) to fit their own personal doctrinal beliefs.To the English-speaking world, the AKJV Bible has become the standard because
of the strict parameters that were put in place requiring a “word for word” translation;
avoiding perceptual interpretations that may alter what the manuscript actually meant.
They also had to agree upon each and every word of the translation. Whenever a word
had two or more possible meanings the most popular meaning was inscribed into the text;
with the second choice was italicized and listed at the end of the verse. One such example is
in 1Thess. 4:15 where the word prevent is inserted into the text while precede is listed as an
alternative word at the end of the verse.Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-15)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
Of course the texts chosen for this bible were not necessarily the most valid but the more common and more recent ones.
So any suggestion that this bible is more accurate than any other is on shaky ground.Hi Ed, ha your wrong!
“The Youngs Literal Translation is unusual in that… it is the literal translation of the original Hebrew and Greek texts….
1. American King James Version (AKJV) –
A modern language update of the original King James Version (KJV), which was translated from the Masoretic Text and the Textus Receptus. The purpose of this translation was to update and modernize the original KJV but preserve the KJV as much as possible. This translation was first published in 1999.Young’s Literal Translation (YLT) –
The Literal Translation is unusual in that, as the name implies, it is a strictly literal word-for-word translation of the Masoretic Text and the Textus Receptus (to the extent possible). Translation made by Robert Young and originally published in 1862, He published a revised version in 1887, with another revised version published after his death in 1898.http://www.bibletranslations.thebaptistpage.net/Bible_L….0anchor
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