Why the seven mountains in Revelation are kingdoms

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November 30, 2014 at 8:38 pm#785579
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I think you are right about the mixed people. And yes that could also work for the Roman Empire too.
Interesting that the word is ‘arab’ though. Could be a huge coincidence. But as I have said before, it makes no sense to me that all the empires were succeeded by the next (in the Beast), except for some reason we should not include the Ottoman. Further that it ruled the Eastern Roman Empire area including some of the Western leg for 500 years or so is just too much for me to ignore. The clincher is their religion believes in the very thing that makes one an Antichrist.
Most amazing of all to me is this was all sitting under our noses the whole time.
November 30, 2014 at 9:00 pm#785580
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the muslims were not christians at the origin ;the antichrist as to be coming out of the believer community ,
also the legs do not mean anything more than the arms don’t mean anything or the ten toes ;this is pure men invention ,not in scriptures ;
and no the ottoman empire cannot be more than the beast out of the earth ;copy of Roman catholic empire a so called theocracy at that time ,when the ottoman took constantinople i believe is when Rome head was wounded ,and so make a image of it when Muhammad came to power ,
also understand that Rome was never taken over by any other nation as scriptures says ;it just vanished without the actions of men
also their is no timetable for this to happen 200/300/400/500/600 years ? whatever it takes ;
November 30, 2014 at 9:10 pm#785581
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also understand what scriptures says what his an ANTICHRIST and when did he appear ? I believe that Paul says that the end will NOT come before the men of lawlessness (offspring of the believers congregation)
2TH 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
Apostasy = end of all true apostles (after John ?)
1JN 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
1JN 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1JN 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
2JN 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist
it looks like the apostasy as to come before the man of lawlessness can appear ;and so he would be the real antichrist
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November 30, 2014 at 10:08 pm#785584
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Terr, as for the man of lawlessness, I am curious as to how or where you arrive at “offspring of the believers congregation”.
November 30, 2014 at 10:11 pm#785585
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it looks like the apostasy as to come before the man of lawlessness can appear ;and so he would be the real antichrist
The area of the seven churches are now predominantly under the control of Islam. If that is not a falling away from the faith, then what is? lol. They even deny that God has a son as one of their main tenets.
November 30, 2014 at 10:28 pm#785586
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also understand that Rome was never taken over by any other nation as scriptures says ;it just vanished without the actions of men
That may be true of the city, but that is not true of the empire. The capital of the Roman Empire moved from Rome to Constantinople.
Constantinople
It was reinaugurated in 324 AD at ancient Byzantium, as the new capital of the Roman Empire by Constantine the Great, after whom it was named, and dedicated on 11 May 330.In the 12th century, the city was the largest and wealthiest European city.Eventually, …….. falling to the Ottoman Empire in 1453.
Source: Wikipedia
Terr. The Roman Empire continued for another 1000 years after it moved its capital from Rome. Our western mindset ignores the east and is focussed on the west. The Bible however is focussed on the east. I understand that westerners find it hard to change their mindset. I was convinced once that Western Europe would become the next head of the Beast, (that it would revive). And it was easy to believe that with the rise of the European Union. I am still open to that view too.
November 30, 2014 at 11:36 pm#785587
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if you read Roman history you will find that is exactly how the Roman empire died ,all the countries conquered were splitting apart from her and became independent countries again but remain with the culture and the administration so to speak
Yes your thinking is western. The eastern leg existed for another 1000 or so years and was conquered. This stage of the Roman Empire was more akin to the previous beasts in as far as location.
November 30, 2014 at 11:41 pm#785588
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you mixing up the seven head beast with the beast that comes out of the earth ,that lives beside the seven head beast ,
Watch this small part of the video:
December 1, 2014 at 5:19 am#785599
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Terr, as for the man of lawlessness, I am curious as to how or where you arrive at “offspring of the believers congregation”.
2JN 1:7
For many deceivers have gone (back)out into the world,
Jn 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.
those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
1Jn 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1Jn 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
1Jn 4:4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
1Jn 4:6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
2Jn 1:8 Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.
2Jn 1:11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.
Jude 1:10 Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.
Jude 1:11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
Jude 1:12 These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead.
Jude 1:13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does—comes not from the Father but from the world.
1Jn 2:17 The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.
1Jn 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
1Jn 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
these scriptures answer your question ;
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December 1, 2014 at 5:26 am#785600
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Yes your thinking is western. The eastern leg existed for another 1000 or so years and was conquered. This stage of the Roman Empire was more akin to the previous beasts in as far as location.
the scriptures do not talk about the eastern or western leg ,so why adding to scriptures ?
Rome is Rome in italy if it changes it was only politically by one emperor but it saved the real Rome is it not ? yes
the dismembering of Rome empire came when they could no longer sustain power to govern over all the empire
and so loses one bit at the time
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December 1, 2014 at 5:33 am#785601
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Watch this small part of the video:
Daniel 2;44 says that the rock from the mountain strikes the statue at the feet ;so this is Rome at the time of Christ coming
that is when the new kingdom was set up ,this is what scriptures says ;
December 1, 2014 at 5:43 am#785602
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The area of the seven churches are now predominantly under the control of Islam. If that is not a falling away from the faith, then what is? lol. They even deny that God has a son as one of their main tenets.
the churches have nothing to do with their location but with their works ,
as far as i understand it you can replace the names by a number 1 to 7 it will not change a thing ,
Islam is more related to the beast that comes out of the earth with two horn like a sheep and talk like a dragon
December 1, 2014 at 10:33 am#785616
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The ruined tempels in asia minor are greek; not islam.
wakeup.
December 1, 2014 at 11:45 am#785617
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the scriptures do not talk about the eastern or western leg ,so why adding to scriptures ?
Scripture says the LEGS of iron. History says eastern and western.
I would have thought that was obvious.
Some food for thought here.
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December 1, 2014 at 11:48 am#785618
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Rome is Rome in italy if it changes it was only politically by one emperor but it saved the real Rome is it not ? yes
The Bible doesn’t say it is Rome. It just says that the current kingdom IS while the previous have FALLEN. It then says ONE MORE TO COME does it not?
It was simply the empire whose capital was Rome at the time. History clearly shows us that the capital moved. The empire didn’t get conquered by a new one, it simply moved the capital to Turkey where Satan’s throne is located. There is no reason to believe that this empire’s capital had to stay as Rome and there is no reason to say that the next empire would be centred around the city of Rome. These are all presuppositions.
December 1, 2014 at 11:48 am#785619
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Daniel 2;44 says that the rock from the mountain strikes the statue at the feet ;so this is Rome at the time of Christ coming
that is when the new kingdom was set up ,this is what scriptures says ;
Most people view the legs and feet as being different just as the torso is different to the legs.
Further, there are seven kings, but an eighth king comes from the seventh. Kings represent a kingdom.
So far we have: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome. That is six kingdoms.
Still one to go after Rome which is the seventh and the Ottoman Empire conquered Rome.
The eighth is of the seven.
Then the rock strikes. Thus, perhaps not very far away if this newly born Caliphate continues.
I would watch Turkey myself where the seat of Satan is and where the capital of the Ottoman Empire was located. They are already reluctant to help out the US and looks like things will get worse there. Remember this, Turkey is a NATO member. If they are attacked, then the West are bound to step in. They are in a perfect position to do peace deals.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/11/turkey-isis-obama-problems_n_6135856.html

December 1, 2014 at 12:37 pm#785621
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the scriptures do not talk about the eastern or western leg ,so why adding to scriptures ?
Scripture says the LEGS of iron. History says eastern and western.
I would have thought that was obvious.
I won’t dispute this longer; what scriptures says is this ;
Da 2:31 “You looked, O king, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance.
Da 2:32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
Da 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.
Da 2:34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them.
Da 2:35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were broken to pieces at the same time and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.
Da 2:36 “This was the dream, and now we will interpret it to the king.
Da 2:37 You, O king, are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory;
Da 2:38 in your hands he has placed mankind and the beasts of the field and the birds of the air. Wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold.
Da 2:39 “After you, another kingdom will rise, inferior to yours. Next, a third kingdom, one of bronze, will rule over the whole earth.
Da 2:40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
Da 2:41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.
Da 2:42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle.
Da 2:43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
Da 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.
1) it says four kings not five and no extension at the arms or legs or feet ;if not so show me ,
2) the stone hits at the time on the feet ,meaning the power in that time ROME ; that is where Christ came and made the new covenant with his disciples for a new kingdom ,(last supper)
3) the six head (Rome) from that time on as to lose its power the time it took ? I don’t know when Rome was totally reduce as world power ,not its religion (false Prophet);history shows that it started with the countries the furthest away from Rome ,until there was only italy left ,
4) in verse 2;44 it says that the kingdom of God will remain in the hands of those that are part of the setup ,and that that kingdom will crush all those kingdom ,but also bring them to a END , HOW SO ?
December 1, 2014 at 1:13 pm#785622
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The Bible doesn’t say it is Rome. It just says that the current kingdom IS while the previous have FALLEN. It then says ONE MORE TO COME does it not?
It was simply the empire whose capital was Rome at the time. History clearly shows us that the capital moved. The empire didn’t get conquered by a new one, it simply moved the capital to Turkey where Satan’s throne is located. There is no reason to believe that this empire’s capital had to stay as Rome and there is no reason to say that the next empire would be centred around the city of Rome. These are all presuppositions.
THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY IT IS ROME ,well what power would it be if not Rome ? when the kingdom of God was set up ?(Jesus time)
and as i learned when constantine move himself to constantinople it did not change the head of Rome (parliament ,the senate ,)
only the man that was called the head of state , and for what reasons?
Rome in Italy remained in place and weigh it out ,also when later Constantinople was attacked and needed help they called for help from Rome but Rome refused it was a time to settling of accounts east west,and so all came back to normal so to speak.
so there was no IS, ISSI ,only Islam …..they try many times to take over the world but fail all of the time ,europe was too strong for them to be taken ,
so the seven head is ? european nations ? that divided the rest of the world into colonies ? if this is true then the wounded head would be the seventh and not the sixth (because of ww 1 and 2)
if this is true then who would or could be the Height (8)head .if this is true it would be only one possibility ;anglo/american/european
but there’s a problem with the above vue ;
And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
Rev 13:2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.
Rev 13:3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.
Rev 13:4 Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”
Rev 13:5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months.
Rev 13:6 He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.
Rev 13:7 He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
Rev 13:8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
Rev 13:9 He who has an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword he will be killed.
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.
it seems that a long period of time will pass ;here
Rev 13:11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.
Rev 13:12 He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
Rev 13:13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.
Rev 13:14 Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
Rev 13:15 He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
Rev 13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
Rev 13:17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666
the above two horn beast seem to look like the anglo/american power is it not ? there is a difference between the beast from the water and the beast from the earth but the one that comes out of the earth could also be the height king (head)
but we would still have a problem with Revelation scarlet beast ,
December 1, 2014 at 1:33 pm#785623
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Clearly there is a distinction in the legs and feet.
Da 2:40
Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others.
Da 2:41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.
The legs are solely iron, while the feet are part iron and clay. Let’s talk about this for a bit. The feet are part iron right? So it is part Roman Empire. The iron feet MIX with clay. Two things here. 1) Strong mixes with weak. 2) Mix means Arab.
Look at Daniel 2:31-33
31 “Your Majesty looked, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. 32 The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, 33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.
Here we have the following:
1. Head of gold
2. Chest of silver
3. Belly & thighs of bronze
4. Legs of iron
5. Feet of iron and clay
Now understand this. If the Chest of silver actually said partly gold and silver, you might think that it was part of the previous empire right. So when the feet are part iron and clay, that shows that it is partly the old empire mixed with a new people. That is a description of its makeup, but realise this, that the feet are different to the head, chest, belly, and legs. The feet is another body part. Its just that it contains some of the old empire.
So let’s dig deeper. The Roman Empire during the 1000 year reign of the Byzantine period was conquered by the Arabs. They changed the Roman Empire in that time into an Islamic Caliphate.
But we not only have Daniel as a witness that Rome is not the last empire. We have the Book of Revelation too:
Revelation 17:10
They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.
You have to at least admit that the one that is was Rome meaning that there is another to come. Well history shows us that another came and that one received a deadly wound and now it is trying to be healed or revived. That revival is the eighth king which is said to be of the seventh.
Rome is the sixth king in Revelation.
December 1, 2014 at 1:40 pm#785624
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Further, I would like to tell you why there is confusion on this subject about who the last empire is.
Daniel is focussing in the fourth beast, because that is still ahead of him and we know now that the messiah was born while that beast was reigning. Daniel is looking toward Rome which as we know was a terrible beast that trampled the world around it.
But we do not look toward Rome. We look back at Rome as it is already passed. So our perspective of Rome is with history now.
We are looking toward the one that is to come, after Rome and as it turns out, that one is probably passed too, if it was the Islamic Ottoman Empire seated where Satan’s throne is.
So what are we looking toward? Not Rome, not the Ottoman Empire. rather the 8th king who is of the 7th. So if the 7th is Mohammed and his Islamic Caliphate, then the one we are looking toward is of that. That is the one who was wounded and comes back to life.
Remember we live in the year 2014. Not in Daniel’s or John’s time. So we have the advantage of hindsight that people back then did not have. Their futures were different to ours.
If we look solely through Daniel’s eyes, then we are looking with BC filters on. If we look through John’s eyes, then we look with 50 AD (or something around that) filters on.
Two millennia have passed since John. Learn from history, (hisSTORY). Much prophecy has taken place in these last two God days, but not all has come to pass. What we look toward and need to understand in our time is understandably different to Daniel’s time. Out time is two and a half thousand years from his time. Much of what he saw has taken place already.
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