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The Beast

The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.

The Beast of Revelation represents seven empires that ruled in succession in the area around the Great Sea, the Mediterranean. These seven empires are a historical fact that fits perfectly with the Beast of Revelation and what it means. From our view in history, we can see that the seven empires were:

Egypt – 3100 to 677 BC (Genesis 12:10)
Assyria – 677 to 626 BC (Genesis 2:14)
Babylon – 626 – 539 BC (Daniel 1:1)
Medo-Persia – 539 – 449 BC (Daniel 5:28)
Greecia – 449 – 146 BC (Daniel 10:20)
Rome – 146 BC-476 AD eastern leg / 1453 AD western leg or Byzantium (Daniel 9:26 & Romans 1-7)
Ottoman – 1453 – 1924 AD (Future empire when Revelation was written, but historical empire today)

Notice that this Beast is no more today in 2021. The reign of empires ended at the conclusion of WWI when the Ottoman army fought alongside Germany and Austria-Hungary. They were defeated in October 1918. If the Ottoman Empire was the last empire or the seventh head of the beast, then it partially fits with the following verse.

“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.”

For it to fully fit though, an eighth king or kingdom which comes from the seventh would need to arise in the future. That could be another Islamic Caliphate especially considering the seventh in this view was an Islamic caliphate. Further, given the spread of Islam which dominates this part of the world (around the Great Sea) and which has recently infiltrated Western Europe, it seems that an Islamic Caliphate would be the most likely empire to rise from this region. Forget America, China, India, Australia, etc. These are not located around the Great Sea. These empires and countries are not part of the Beast with seven heads and 10 horns.

Revelation 17:8
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.,

Revelation 17:11:
The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

Daniel 7:1-3
In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream. Daniel said: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.

Revelation 13:1
“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”

It is also possible that the eighth king / kingdom to come could be from the seven heads (not seventh head). This would mean it is comprised of all empires that came out of the Great Sea previously. Now look at the next verse.

You saw the iron mixed with clay–the peoples will mix with one another but will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with fired clay.

Regarding the iron mixed with clay, it is worth noting that the word for ‘clay’ in Aramaic is ‘arab’. After the two legs of iron in the statue (Rome) , we see the toes are mixed with iron and clay. In other words it appears that two peoples will live side by side but their seed will not mingle. And indeed we see this with the break up of the Roman Empire and the Ottoman invasions. The invaders (Arabs) mixed with the iron (Romans) but never became one people.

Of the seven empires in the Book of Revelation, Daniel addressed four and perhaps a fifth with the mixture of iron and clay. His revelation was focussed around his time however and not as wide in scope as the Book of Revelation.

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  • December 30, 2014 at 4:26 pm#787942
    kerwin
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    Gene,

    Sir Issac Newton has a point for it is written:

    Revelation 17:15Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    It seems that the Sea could also be the Mediterranean Sea as well.

    January 2, 2015 at 1:22 am#788007
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    There are many groups today that are trying to bring about a caliphate. ISIL, al Qaeda, Boko Haram, Hamas, to name a few. Where there is a will there is a way. It only takes a strong leader to organise them into one. It is foolish to underestimate what is going on around the Great Sea today.

    January 2, 2015 at 1:24 am#788008
    Proclaimer
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    I haven’t had time to check these out, but these are some references to the great sea that I found on Biblehub.

    Numbers 34:6,7
    And as for the western border, you shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border.

    Joshua 1:4
    From the wilderness and this Lebanon even to the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and to the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.

    Joshua 9:1
    And it came to pass, when all the kings which were on this side Jordan, in the hills, and in the valleys, and in all the coasts of the great sea over against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, heard thereof;

    Joshua 15:12,47
    And the west border was to the great sea, and the coast thereof. This is the coast of the children of Judah round about according to their families.

    Joshua 23:4
    Behold, I have divided to you by lot these nations that remain, to be an inheritance for your tribes, from Jordan, with all the nations that I have cut off, even to the great sea westward.

    Ezekiel 47:10,15,20
    And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand on it from Engedi even to Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

    Ezekiel 48:28
    And by the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar to the waters of strife in Kadesh, and to the river toward the great sea.

    January 3, 2015 at 12:15 am#788027
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Kerwin, if not Islam that ruled the Middle East for 500 years with an antichrist religion and law, conquered the previous empire in like pattern as previous heads of the beast, then what is the empire that is prophesied as the seventh that dies and comes back later as the eighth? Remember that the Antichrist will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know.

    I would be surprised if you could put forward a more worthy candidate than Islam or an Islamic Caliphate complete with a caliph.

    Go ahead convince me. I am truly open minded and able to change when truth is presented to me. This is your chance to convert me to your view.

    January 3, 2015 at 10:41 pm#788083
    Camillia
    Participant

    t8, could you please answer the question:

    If the Beast is Islam, and many people are Muslim simply because that’s all they know, as they were born into it, and only 1% of Christianity are missionaries to them, how could they fit this picture:

     

    “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.”

    It seems more to be a willingness on the part of the worshipers, not through ignorance, but free will and knowledge.

    January 4, 2015 at 12:22 am#788085
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    This theory doesn’t propose that Islam is the beast, but that the Beast will be an Islamic Caliphate ruled by the Mahdi. It is he and/or his cohort who is known as the Islamic Jesus who will implement the mark of the Beast to be put in the right-hand or forehead.

    While this probably has not happened yet, it is not hard to imagine a ruler of an Islamic Middle East requiring subjects to wear some kind of mark to identify their allegiance.  We have already seen today, ISIL fighters asking people what their allegiance is. If they answer Shia, Christian, Jew, then they are swiftly killed often by beheading if they are Christian.

    If the Middle East becomes an Islamic Caliphate ruled by a Caliph, then recognising allegiance would obviously need to be improved beyond asking every stranger they come across. So some kind of system that requires a mark may be implemented. Wearing their mark would be akin to agreeing to their God, prophet, law, and empire. This would be actually publicly denying the Father and the Son which is a major tenet of Islam. Remember that Jesus said:

    “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.”

    So what of those who wear the mark of a religion that denies God has a son?

    Not all Muslims would be born into it, it would be a choice that each person makes. Remember that Sunni also kill Shias too. You are either for them, to weak to fight them and join them, or you are against them and their principles.

    And what would the mark be? Well it would be a name, a symbol or mark, and also a number. Something like this perhaps.

    Remember that the antichrist denies the Father and the Son. So what if you chose to wear or have a mark that symbolised that. Then you have chosen to deny the son and thus deny the Father and you do this as a witness before all men. The upside is you will be able to trade and live without persecution and death, but your forfeit your soul for denying the son.

    January 4, 2015 at 1:56 am#788097
    Proclaimer
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    The Suppressed & Hidden History of Islam

    This video looks interesting. I am half way through and will finish it later.

    January 4, 2015 at 2:39 am#788098
    kerwin
    Participant

    @t8 and whomever else has ears to hear,

    John 4:23Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    Since this is how God is worshiped how is the Beast worshiped?

    January 4, 2015 at 1:54 pm#788107
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Is Allah the God that Mohammed proclaimed worshipped?. Adherents bow down before him 5 times a day. Islam denies the Father and the Son and muslims worship the God that sent that prophet who proclaimed an antichrist message. So who is that God? Further, that God has a temple right in the place where the Jewish temple is. In that mosque it is written, “God, Who hath not taken unto Himself a son…”.

    1 John 2:22-23
    Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.
    No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    Revelation 13:4
    People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?“

    January 4, 2015 at 2:02 pm#788108
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    To all……we need to be careful because assumptions can get us into trouble. If we are going to talk about the beast that came up out of the sea

    There is reference to the sea which could mean out of the people. But there is also reference to the Great Sea which is not the people.

    Numbers 34:6,7
    And as for the western border, you shall even have the great sea for a border: this shall be your west border.

    Joshua 1:4
    From the wilderness and this Lebanon even to the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and to the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast.

    Joshua 9:1
    And it came to pass, when all the kings which were on this side Jordan, in the hills, and in the valleys, and in all the coasts of the great sea over against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, heard thereof;

    Joshua 15:12,47
    And the west border was to the great sea, and the coast thereof. This is the coast of the children of Judah round about according to their families.

    Joshua 23:4
    Behold, I have divided to you by lot these nations that remain, to be an inheritance for your tribes, from Jordan, with all the nations that I have cut off, even to the great sea westward.

    Ezekiel 47:10,15,20
    And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand on it from Engedi even to Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

    Ezekiel 48:28
    And by the border of Gad, at the south side southward, the border shall be even from Tamar to the waters of strife in Kadesh, and to the river toward the great sea.

    January 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm#788127
    Camillia
    Participant

    This theory doesn’t propose that Islam is the beast, but that the Beast will be an Islamic Caliphate ruled by the Mahdi. It is he and/or his cohort who is known as the Islamic Jesus who will implement the mark of the Beast to be put in the right-hand or forehead.

    While this probably has not happened yet, it is not hard to imagine a ruler of an Islamic Middle East requiring subjects to wear some kind of mark to identify their allegiance. We have already seen today, ISIL fighters asking people what their allegiance is. If they answer Shia, Christian, Jew, then they are swiftly killed often by beheading if they are Christian.

    If the Middle East becomes an Islamic Caliphate ruled by a Caliph, then recognising allegiance would obviously need to be improved beyond asking every stranger they come across. So some kind of system that requires a mark may be implemented. Wearing their mark would be akin to agreeing to their God, prophet, law, and empire. This would be actually publicly denying the Father and the Son which is a major tenet of Islam. Remember that Jesus said:

    “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven.”

    Well, it’s a possibility to be aware of. Will be interesting if it develops.

    Remember that the antichrist denies the Father and the Son. So what if you chose to wear or have a mark that symbolised that. Then you have chosen to deny the son and thus deny the Father and you do this as a witness before all men. The upside is you will be able to trade and live without persecution and death, but your forfeit your soul for denying the son.

    It still seems to be done in ignorance though, as most Muslims have not been taught truth, as only 1% of Christianity are missionaries in Muslim countries. But, who knows, as there’s a phenomena of dreams and visions there (of Jesus).

    January 5, 2015 at 7:08 pm#788131
    Proclaimer
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    First off, congratulations on being open minded. It may or may not turn out to be true, but to be open minded to the possibility tells me that you are looking for the signs and you understand that there is the possibility because you have weighed up the evidence. Well done. I wish more people here were open minded. Some here just flatly refuse to consider the theory because it is relatively new or they are invested into another theory and do not want to consider the possibility that their theory could be wrong.

    It still seems to be done in ignorance though

    How is it different from any other theory. Surely the Antichrist is not going to turn up and say, “hi Satan sent me”. No he would probably try to pass himself of as being sent by God.

    But take a close look at the criteria for receiving the wrath of God. It is not easy to recieve it.

    Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice,

    “If anyone worships the beast and his image,
    and
    receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

    he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

    I wouldn’t classify worshipping the Beast and receiving his mark as completely ignorant. For a start we know that Believers are beheaded and many suffer under the reign of the Antichrist. But to worship him and his system or kingdom means to agree to all the evil deeds that are obviously done out in the open. I think only a consciously evil person could worship a Beast who does such things. Many Muslims today are against ISIL for example. So it stands to reason that not all would worship the Beast. Yes there are children under their control, but in God’s eyes, they are not responsible for their predicament until they reach a certain age. Once the age of being totally responsible for your actions is reached, then they could decide to leave and not participate.

    No excuses because everyone has a conscience.

    January 5, 2015 at 11:38 pm#788144
    Camillia
    Participant

    First off, congratulations on being open minded. It may or may not turn out to be true, but to be open minded to the possibility tells me that you are looking for the signs and you understand that there is the possibility because you have weighed up the evidence. Well done. I wish more people here were open minded. Some here just flatly refuse to consider the theory because it is relatively new or they are invested into another theory and do not want to consider the possibility that their theory could be wrong.

    I think we should be open minded regards the deceiver/ beast.

    I know Muslims expect the Mahdi and Jesus to come, but their idea of Jesus’ return appears faulty, and they are vulnerable to deception. Knowledge is power, and if the motive is right (i.e., helping them) then our mind should be open to the possibility; and also to the possibility that “deceiver of the whole world” could be just the Middle East.

    Surely the Antichrist is not going to turn up and say, “hi Satan sent me”. No he would probably try to pass himself of as being sent by God.

    Or, could deceive people to believe he is Christ returned?

    I wouldn’t classify worshipping the Beast and receiving his mark as completely ignorant. For a start we know that Believers are beheaded and many suffer under the reign of the Antichrist. But to worship him and his system or kingdom means to agree to all the evil deeds that are obviously done out in the open. I think only a consciously evil person could worship a Beast who does such things. Many Muslims today are against ISIL for example. So it stands to reason that not all would worship the Beast. Yes there are children under their control, but in God’s eyes, they are not responsible for their predicament until they reach a certain age. Once the age of being totally responsible for your actions is reached, then they could decide to leave and not participate.

    True.

     

    January 6, 2015 at 1:07 am#788146
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    It seems that the Mahdi and Islamic Jesus match the biblical antichrist and false prophet regarding the prophecies in both the Bible and Quran/Hadith. Interestingly, both the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of Islam fight a person called the Antichrist. You have to wonder if the Islamic Antichrist is the true Christ of the Bible though. Seems that these books say similar things, but have an opposite view on who the good and bad are. Not surprising considering that the one book says that God has a son, while the other openly denies this, thus fulfilling the definition of antichrist.

    January 6, 2015 at 1:09 am#788147
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    This video was posted to the ISIS thread, but I think it belongs here too.

    January 6, 2015 at 7:33 am#788150
    kerwin
    Participant

    @t8,

    Islam does not have an opposite view of morality than Scripture.  Islam is more Old Testament and the extremists are more like the Jewish Zealots.  It is possible Paul was a Zealot before his conversion even though he was also a Pharisee.

    Within Islam there is a debate if the Law should be based on the traditions of their father verses their Scriptures.

    I know that Iran follows Old Testament Laws to put homosexuals to death.  I believe they do others.

    From what I read of Muhammad he seems to be more of a political person adopting his “prophecies” to political realities. Some of his students are better at that than others.  The extremists are not.

    There error is the same as most heretics in that those who attempt to seek righteousness to do so by human effort and not by the godly effort that comes by faith in Jesus Christ.

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    January 6, 2015 at 11:28 am#788159
    Proclaimer
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    January 6, 2015 at 11:34 am#788160
    Proclaimer
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    January 6, 2015 at 10:37 pm#788163
    Camillia
    Participant

    It seems that the Mahdi and Islamic Jesus match the biblical antichrist and false prophet regarding the prophecies in both the Bible and Quran/Hadith. Interestingly, both the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of Islam fight a person called the Antichrist. You have to wonder if the Islamic Antichrist is the true Christ of the Bible though. Seems that these books say similar things, but have an opposite view on who the good and bad are. Not surprising considering that the one book says that God has a son, while the other openly denies this, thus fulfilling the definition of antichrist.

    Thanks, I’ll look into that!
    I don’t believe the Islamic idea of antichrist will turn out to be the true Christ. Jesus wont set foot on this planet (He already has). Amillenialism is the only safe truth imo.
    Muslims believe Jesus will return to earth, so they are likely to be deceived by a false return. Did you know America has the technology to create a holographic image in the sky or on earth as a means of confusing an enemy?

    January 6, 2015 at 11:28 pm#788164
    Camillia
    Participant

    Videos look interesting but we’re out of data till the 8th (slowed down to dail up speed).

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