The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

In scripture we never read about people preaching the Trinity or insisting that people believe it in order to have true faith in God.

Over the centuries many Christians have diverged and insisted that people believe in the Trinity as the foundation of true faith in God. While this belief indeed is the Roman Catholic Faith, Christians should never make this doctrine a requirement as it only proves to alienate people from the way.

In scripture we are told that stumbling blocks are inevitable, but woe to the them that lay them. Think about it, if you insist on this doctrine and it keeps a person from receiving the son of God, then you have contributed to blocking the way of salvation to that person.

We should be wise and stick to teaching what is written. God sent his son into the world to save men. He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right-hand of God and interceding for us. This is written.

Keep it simple. Simplicity in Christ. He is the son of the living God, the messiah, and the one whom God made Lord. There is no point in insisting on things that are not written, especially if they become the deal breaker from them receiving the son of God.

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  • #816095
    Proclaimer
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    Hi t8,

    Jesus said the Son can do nothing of himself.

    That is what he said and yes without God, nothing would be the norm.

    But is he just a vessel to you?

    What about getting to know him. He is the son of the Living God and visible image of the invisible God.

    #816112
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    The lord is the Spirit.

    Know the Spirit and you will know the Father and the Son.

    #816113
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Jesus Christ is not a vessel.

    Jesus of Nazareth is the vessel for the treasure of the Spirit and you are invited to join him.

    #816118
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick. ….T8….DOESN’T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT, I think he believes the man Jesus “is” the christ (ANOINTING SPIRIT) himself, he doesn’t seem to understand there is a difference, between the anointing spirit of GOD AND THE HUMAN JESUS IT IS IN. He can’t seem to see the Father “in” Jesus doing his own work through him. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #816119
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @NickHassan

    you said:

    Now the Lord is the Spirit. We will come to you.

    He who remains in the teachings has both the Father and the Son.

    Our fellowship is with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.

    Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are nothing of his.

    Those words are true. The Spirit is a unity of the Father and the Son! They each have their own spirit and those spirits are united as one of course. The spirit of believers is also united as one spirit.

    The LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords (Deut 10:17). Paul tells us that God is the Father and the Lord is the Son (1 Cor 8:6). Together they are THE LORD (YHVH)!

     

    #816120
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Jael,

    You are trying to divide the united Spirit of the LORD.  Why would you do that? Do you not claim to have both the Father and the Son in you? Is the Father the only one that is “in” you?

    #816128
    kerwin
    Participant

    Lightenup,

    If you truly believe that James speaks the truth when he declares that God cannot be tempted then you also truly believe that God is not tempted even as we are and yet Scripture claims was.

    To declare Jesus is the one true God means you do not believe either or both of the passages or that Scripture and Jesus is therefore a liar to declare otherwise.

    Trinitarians saw this problem with their teaching and resolved by developing an equally absurd doctrine that Jesus was both 100% human and 100% the one true God when it is impossible for anything to be 200% total of any kind or any combination of kinds.

    That is why they deceptively declared it cannot be tested with reason.

    Why do you follow the false emperor cult.

    #816129
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    LU….JESUS IS A lord, (adoni) human ruler, not LORD (adonia) the almighty GOD, WHO IS THE “ONLY’ “TRUE” GOD, NOW GOD is spirit, and being a spirit he can indwell not only JESUS but “all” flesh. WE who have the spirit of God, just as Jesus does, are now sons of God, as Jesus is, we are joint heirs with him, we are all “ONE” WITH JESUS, GOD THE FATHER, and EACH OTHER, BY THAT “SAME” SPIRIT. Jael sees it right i believe as NICK, KERWIN, MARTY, AND OTHERS HERE DO ALSO.

    THERE IS NO MULTIPLISITY OF GOD’S, just “ONE” GOD “in all and through all”. Same God that was “IN” Jesus is in all who have His spirit “IN” THEM. Jesus made this clear, you need to believe what he said, and this will become clear to you. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #816135
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    We must not think of the Spirit in natural human terms.

    There never was two spirits who became one.

    The Spirit of the Son is of the Spirit of the Father.

    The Word was with God and was God.

    As the Spirit in Jesus said

    ‘I proceeded forth and came from God’

    #816136
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    The spirit of a man is given to him and returns to God at death.ecc 12

    But even our spirit in us is a candle to God that He knows our ways.prov 20.27

    Spirit is from the Father of spirits

    .

    The Spirit is lent and never divided from Him

    #816147
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @kerwin

    you said:

    If you truly believe that James speaks the truth when he declares that God cannot be tempted then you also truly believe that God is not tempted even as we are and yet Scripture claims was.

    Yes, I truly believe that God cannot be tempted, that is why YHVH, as the Lord of lords, had to “empty Himself” and agree to be made lower than the angels so that it was possible to do things that He couldn’t do before He became a man. YHVH, as the God of gods did not come as a man. They are two different beings and together they are the one God, YHVH in the fullest sense. YHVH is both, the Father and the Son, the God of gods AND the Lord of lords. One is seen in the OT and NT and one is unseen.

    I think the reason you and others are not wanting to believe this is because the Gospels don’t say it clearly enough for you. The reason for that is if Jesus demonstrated beyond a doubt that He was the creator and the “Word of the LORD” that appeared to the Israelites whom the Israelites understood as YHVH in some manner that could appear and speak directly to them, He would not have been killed. He had to be killed to be able to rise and overcome sin and death. Satan stumbled right into His plan. Satan brought about his own destruction when he filled Judas and led him to betray Jesus and then others to make sure He was crucified. Satan thought he beat the system, so to speak, but actually cooperated very well by unknowingly setting the stage for his own destruction.

    #816148
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Nick,

    “Sons of Adam are earthen vessels.” So Jesus body was a son of Adam but was his spirit also? or was his spirit actually a son of God?

    And was his body really a son of Adam since he was born of a virgin?  just what need was there for a virgin birth according to you?

    #816150
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @GeneBalthrop

    you said:

    LU….JESUS IS A lord, (adoni) human ruler, not LORD (adonia) the almighty GOD, WHO IS THE “ONLY’ “TRUE” GOD,…

    Gene, who in the OT is the Lord of the Sabbath?

    Who in the OT is the Lord of all?

    Can you answer those two questions?

    #816152
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @NickHassan

    1 Cor 6

    17But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.

    #816154
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    He is a man as scripture attests.

    His spirit left him at Calvary as scripture also attests.

    He is yet alive in the anointing Spirit just as Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob are.

    #816156
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    And just how are Abraham,Issac, and Jacob still alive? is it really just in an “anointing spirit”? so they were raised from death in the same fashion as Jesus? and what of virgin birth? does that have any significance? some Christians don’t believe in that either so I understand if you don’t.

    #816157
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Nick,

    Are Abraham,Isaac,Jacob and Jesus all alive with Joseph Smith on Planet X or maybe they all have their own planets? I know you don’t think they’re all in “heaven”.

    #816158
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    Do you not know what God is offering you?

    Eternal life by sharing the Spirit of the ever living God.

    You will bypass the final judgement passing from death to life.

     

    Follow Jesus

    #816159
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    They sleep in the earth awaiting the trumpet call.

    They will rise just as their Lord did.

    #816161
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Indeed.

    The Spirit that God shared with the Son, the Son shares with us.

     

    Spiritual unity is the plan of God.

     

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