The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

In scripture we never read about people preaching the Trinity or insisting that people believe it in order to have true faith in God.

Over the centuries many Christians have diverged and insisted that people believe in the Trinity as the foundation of true faith in God. While this belief indeed is the Roman Catholic Faith, Christians should never make this doctrine a requirement as it only proves to alienate people from the way.

In scripture we are told that stumbling blocks are inevitable, but woe to the them that lay them. Think about it, if you insist on this doctrine and it keeps a person from receiving the son of God, then you have contributed to blocking the way of salvation to that person.

We should be wise and stick to teaching what is written. God sent his son into the world to save men. He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right-hand of God and interceding for us. This is written.

Keep it simple. Simplicity in Christ. He is the son of the living God, the messiah, and the one whom God made Lord. There is no point in insisting on things that are not written, especially if they become the deal breaker from them receiving the son of God.

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  • #815318
    hoghead1
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    HI, Nick,

    Ignorance and bigotry is the road that many choose.  Why not become educated and take  the words of God seriously?

    #815319
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi hoghead,

    Jesus Christ was not sent to the wise and educated but to poor and desperate sinners.

    #815322
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Of course not.  How could  anyone ever think of God doing otherwise?  It’s the unwashed, uneducated masses who need the  help. It’s all like the world of locomotives.  Those whoa are the big engines, God expects to slog it out  for themselves on the upgrade without any parts  whining.    Those  who are poor,  the sick,  the uneducated, the disadvantaged, the little engines, should first couple onto the Big Divine Three Lash-Up, The Father, The Son, and the Spirit. and let them be the helper engines, before proceeding onto the steep upgrade into Heaven.

    #815325
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi hoghead,

    Heaven is your hope?

    The meek shall inherit the earth.

     

    #815339
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Dear Nick,

    Please remember that Jesus does say in Matt.6:19-21 to lay not up treasures on earth but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven where moth and rust cannot corrupt nor thieves can steal. For where our treasure is there our hearts shall be also. This seems to say our heart and  hope should be heaven.

    #815340
    kerwin
    Participant

    AndrewAD and @admin,

    I have posted twice to this thread and neither as shown up but yours showed up.

    #815341
    kerwin
    Participant

    Hoghead,

    I posted to you twice before and my posts did not show but it seems that things are working again.

    Nothing you said actually disagrees with the Scriptural claim that God is all powerful.

    #815344
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Well,  Nick, I guess that means  you don’t stand much chance of inheriting anything earthly, then, do you?

    #815349
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Nick, please.  Could you give me some solid food, something really meaty to really think about, a challenge?  Again, all you are doing here is posting inflammatory rhetoric, not theology. Boring, very boring.

    Just ignore him hoghead.

    #815350
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Do you prefer theology to scripture now too?

    #815351
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    Yes our treasures are kept for us in heaven.

    But that makes no statement about our future home.

    #815352
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I said that Scripture implies a Trinity, but does not work it out in any real detail.

    And yet it does more than imply that there is one God the Father. It teaches this clearly.

    The prologue to Jn. is one such major  passage that points to the Trinity.

    Not so. If the Word is God himself, then that would negate the Father being God.

    Was Eve Adam? Or was she adam? Some translations and Trinitarian scholars admit that the Word cannot be God himself, because of the lack of definite article whilst it is there for both the Word and every other mention of God. Theos is applied to more than the Father. It is applied to those to whom the word of God came for example. The mention of theos doesn’t make someone or something the Most High.

    John 1:1

    Also, traditions are important.  They give meaning and organization.  Of course, we also want to think creatively and that means a healthy skepticism about traditions.   Whichever way you argue on the Trinity, you are still  affirming a tradition.

    Jesus said of the Pharisees that their tradition nullified the power of God. There are many traditions that are destructive. Many are taught as truth today unfortunately.

    #815353
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Do you prefer theology to scripture now too?

    Another stupid question Nick.

    #815354
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    You close your ears to what I say and support the words of one who teaches trinity?

    #815355
    Proclaimer
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    @blairreynolds

    I just said, in my previous post here, that they did not worship David.  Also I don’t know what the “older tradition” is that you re referring to here.  If you mean the OT, OK.  However, certain early churches did affirm the Deity of Christ., the exceptions being teh anti-Trinitarians such as the Arians, Orign, etc.

    Give this page a read. It explains the word ‘worship’.

    Hebrews 1:6

    #815357
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    You close your ears to what I say and support the words of one who teaches trinity?

    Nick, I am talking about your behavior. Does it not strike you as odd that nearly everyone you engage with says the same thing. Are they all wrong about your behaviour?

    #815358
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @blairreynolds

    You say:

    God the Father (correct)
    God the Son (incorrect)
    God the Spirit

    But Jesus is called the Son of God.
    The Spirit is the Spirit of God.

    So is the Father, the Father of God?

    Or is he just God, and all else (in context) is OF him?

    #815359
    hoghead1
    Participant

    You’re right, T8.  Ignoring hi9m is the way to go.  Meanwhile, his posts do encourage me to practice up on being witty.  For me, online forums are very good places to practice up on your communication skills.

    #815360
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hi, t8,

    If you follow along with the  substance metaphysics of the fathers, then God  is viewed as a  wholly simple being,  meaning no parts, no internal complexity, all alike inside.  This is the arithmetic concept of unity, divine or otherwise. And yes, that certainly would mean the if the Father is God, then the Son is automatically ruled out of the picture, and so, too, the Spirit.  However, I follow an organic sense of unity or oneness.  Each entity is a complex synthesis of parts.  So no problem  with all three being God.

    Your pit about Adam and Eve is interesting.  In terms of substance metaphysics, they are wholly separate beings.  However, as I said, I reject substance metaoysics and view reality relationally.  Each entity  is always part of all the others.  You really can’t tell where one thing ends and the other begins.  All things flow into one another.   So, in a very real sense Eve is definitely part of Adam, present in the real internal constitution of Adam and vice versa.

    #815361
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hello, Kersin,

    Yes, ther4e is some real screw up with the posts on this forum today.  I’ve been having trouble finding posts.  Anyhow, I sure hope my comments are in line with Scripture.  That’s exactly where I intended them to be. I realize that certain passages in Scripture are translated into English as “all powerful.”  However, the biblical concept here is not what the term “omnipotence” denotes.

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