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  • August 27, 2015 at 7:26 am#802545
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,

    Your so called KNOWLEDGE has no scriptural base

    So is it gnostic?

    August 27, 2015 at 2:27 pm#802556
    terraricca
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    kw/nick and

    the logic ” is something that changes ;for it is based on what you know and have accepted to be true ;

    the world has a logic different of God for the knowledge and intend of that knowledge are different so their is a different LOGIC OUTCOME

    August 31, 2015 at 12:40 pm#802648
    Proclaimer
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    I do not know if I could figure out that there was but one God from nature itself.

    It’s like anything to me.

    Did man come from one man originally. Yes. If not, then we all came from two or more men. Evolution denies we came from Adam (The Man), but the alternative is to believe that we all came from multiple men that all evolved in exactly the same way. SO I may have came from Adam, but you came from Bob who evolved into the same species as Adam independently.

    As for God. Unless there were two or more eternal gods that were exactly the same (unlikely from a logical point of view) then there is one God who will be above all, even if there are other gods.

    BTW, I agreed with your post. Just challenging that one statement.

    In sport there is one player above all. Unless we believe that there are two or more that were exactly the same, there will always be one who is above all.

    Logic demands that someone is above all and we are fools if we deny it.

    August 31, 2015 at 5:25 pm#802657
    kerwin
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    T8,

    Thank you for that insight.

    September 1, 2015 at 2:32 am#802667
    GeneBalthrop
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    T8……I AGREE ALSO, there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, who is above all, who alone created all thing by his self. Just as he said he did.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……………..gene

    September 1, 2015 at 9:35 am#802675
    Proclaimer
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    Terr, it is logical that there is a creator. It is also logical that 1+1=2. I do not see these changing anytime soon.
    In fact, if we deny such things, we are being foolish.

    God has given us enough to know these things and we are without excuse.

    September 1, 2015 at 12:44 pm#802686
    terraricca
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    t8

    to you me and others yes and our logic is based on this factor ;but the world does not believe in God /father and creator so their ;LOGIC; will differ from ours

    were the axe of the circle is placed will decide what would be the biggest circle possible

    September 1, 2015 at 1:22 pm#802688
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    I would argue that there logic is actually not logic at all.

    If someone believes that one plus two equals five, then that is not logical and they would be without excuse to not accept that it was three.

    September 1, 2015 at 3:38 pm#802691
    terraricca
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    t8
    yes in mathematics there are no opinion and the logic in math is the truth ,all others are only close tolerances; like when things seem to be that but in truth are not ,

    one example is Paul full of faith and zeal but he at place his center point of his circle in the law and when Jesus faces him he change his center point to Jesus and his God ,now look how a different man he became ,

    I do not argue that their logic is faulty this is true ;but in their view they find themselves true and right ;this is where all wars are fought

    September 1, 2015 at 11:11 pm#802695
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    I wonder if we argue against logic that we are inadvertently arguing against logos?

    September 2, 2015 at 8:32 am#802703
    terraricca
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    The only thing I want to point out here is that the word logic does not mean the truth and so we must be careful  how to use it

    September 2, 2015 at 9:50 pm#802716
    Proclaimer
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    Terr, there are things that are of the truth, such as honesty.

    Logic is derived from logos. Logos has a number of uses throughout history, one of them is reason.

    When God says we are without excuse, it is sometimes because he created us with the ability to reason this or that, and so we have no excuse to deny it.

    We can easily reason that there must be a God for example. People who deny God deny the reason that they were born with.

    They are without excuse.

    Logic is not a bad thing. Being illogical certainly has its problems.

    For example, it is logical that the soul that sins will die and that someone can pay the price of that sin, so that we can go free. That is actually logical within the law.

    It is illogical to say that everything came from nothing.  People who believe this are illogical and are not of the truth.

    Just because someone says something is logical is no proof that it is logical.

    I have never read anywhere including the bible that teaches that logic is wrong or bad.

    September 3, 2015 at 9:40 am#802731
    terraricca
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    t8

    I agree with you but you seem not to understand that it is because you have taken God truth as your center point and yes you right ,but anyone does not do that then their logic will not be in truth but in their own truth what really is no truth at all but to them it would be

    September 3, 2015 at 11:18 am#802739
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    I get your point and agree with you, but  my additional point is that ‘their logic’ is not logic just as their ‘truth’ is not truth.

    So I don’t think logic and truth are ever bad because people falsely claim to have them.

    September 3, 2015 at 1:03 pm#802751
    terraricca
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    I think they are for they are deceitful instruments that lead people ashtray of the real truth of God

    this is why we have to test all those ideas and ways that people make up to see if they are of God or not

    September 3, 2015 at 1:21 pm#802757
    Proclaimer
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    But if it leads men astray then it wasn’t truth. Truth is never a deceitful instrument. Any deceit comes from the heart of man, not from truth.

    I would argue that logic is no different in that respect.

    A man can argue that according to logic that 1 + 1 = 7, but that is not logical, thus he falsely claims to have logic. This has no bearing on logic itself just as Atheists have any bearing in the existence of God.

    September 3, 2015 at 2:46 pm#802758
    terraricca
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    i think we agree on that ,that it was not the truth but to us yes but to many the truth is some thing else so until they come to that truth this would be their truth ,

    and so their logic is false so is their truth but in their mind they believe otherwise,

    1CO 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.

    2CO 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

    we have relocalized our logic on Christ truth

    September 3, 2015 at 3:36 pm#802760
    Proclaimer
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    Glad we agree. 🙂

    Psalm 119:89
    Forever, O LORD, Your word is settled in heaven. 

    God’s truth is established for all eternity. It changes not.

    One reason men look outside of the truth to proclaim what they falsely claim is truth, logic, and wise is that they love the praise of men more than the praise of God.

    Many of the learned reject truth as foolishness, while God thinks their logic and wisdom is foolish. Thus to get the praise and honour that they desire, they must err.

    September 3, 2015 at 5:42 pm#802770
    terraricca
    Participant

    Exactly, it is sad but true

    December 19, 2015 at 9:56 am#806265
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Logic is the boast of the Greeks.

    But it cannot read the spiritual words.

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