Are there two Spirits or One?

The Holy Spirit is a spirit, but is the Father also a spirit?

Well we know that the Father is God and God is spirit. The Father is the Father of all spirits and life. The Father is also the father of our Lord Jesus Christ? But the gospels tell us that the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and because of this, the child was to be called the Son of God. So who is the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Father or the Holy Spirit?

Luke 1:35
The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

The answer is that both are the father if the Trinity Doctrine is to be believed. However, I will demonstrate that the Spirit of God is the Father’s own spirit and is not another person as many believe.

1 Peter 1:14-16
Be obedient to God, and do not allow your lives to be shaped by those desires you had when you were still ignorant. Instead, be holy in all that you do, just as God who called you is holy. The scripture says, “Be holy because I am holy.”

John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

So God is holy and God is a spirit, thus he can be described as a holy spirit. However, we are also taught that there is one spirit, so God is more correctly called ‘the Holy Spirit’, not as one holy spirit among two or many. If the Trinity Doctrine were true, then there would be two Spirits, the Father and the Holy Spirit. But scripture tells us there is but one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4-6
There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Further, scripture clearly says that “The LORD is the Spirit”, thus the Father who is God is the Spirit. Most agree that the Father is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit took part in his conception with Mary. If the Holy Spirit was another person, then Jesus would have two fathers, the Father and the Holy Spirit. That is if the Trinity Doctrine was a true doctrine.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Also, if God is Spirit and he imparts his spirit into redeemed vessels, and if he will eventually be in all and through all, then that would suggest that God the Father will inhabit all by his own spirit. And we know he is the God of the living not the dead, so his spirit is life and the source of all life for his creation and also for his son. So creation is not inhabited by two spirits but one, that is God’s own spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:28
When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Luke 20:38
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”

John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing.

Finally, we are taught in scripture that he is the Father of spirits.

Hebrews 12:9
Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live!

For me I think of this in this way.

Q: Who is God?
A: The Father?

Q: What is God?
A: He is spirit

God is the Father and God is the Holy Spirit. This is not two persons but two aspects of the same God. While God is in heaven, he can inhabit all creation by his own spirit. Just as the sun is located in the centre of the Solar System, its rays shine out to all the Solar System. Similarly, our Heavenly Father can inhabit all creation by his spirit. However as an aside, God’s own creation is not even big enough to contain him. He exists outside the cosmos too.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

1 Kings 8:27
“But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!

So God the Father can inhabit his creation by his own spirit.

This also makes sense when we read the following:

Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

It is worse to speak against the Spirit than it is against the Son. This demonstrates to us that God is above the son and even his Spirit is above his son because the Spirit of God is God and the son of God is the Son and we know that the head of Christ is God in the same way that the head of man is Christ.

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August 25, 2015 at 1:14 am#802436
terraricca
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kw
so faith in God does not count in your view ?
August 25, 2015 at 10:29 am#802444
NickHassan
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Hi KW,
You glorify men and not God.
Flesh contributes nothing.
August 25, 2015 at 11:51 am#802455
kerwin
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Terraricca,
There have been human beings that have faith in God form the creation of Adam but after the fall these humans have always looked forward to the time of Christ for in that time is something greater. We live in that time.
Why would you or anyone that claims that the God of Abraham and Jesus is you God not want that something greater.
August 25, 2015 at 11:56 am#802456
kerwin
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Nick,
If you were confident your own words where true then you would know that the Spirit is stronger than the flesh; as with God all things are possible.
August 25, 2015 at 1:16 pm#802463
terraricca
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kw
Terraricca,
There have been human beings that have faith in God form the creation of Adam but after the fall these humans have always looked forward to the time of Christ for in that time is something greater. We live in that time.
Why would you or anyone that claims that the God of Abraham and Jesus is you God not want that something greater.
I think you are in error here ;for Jesus said ;MT 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
are you thinking of yourself be with them ?
August 25, 2015 at 3:27 pm#802479
NickHassan
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Hi KW,
God did not glorify human wisdom through Paul.
August 25, 2015 at 5:28 pm#802485
kerwin
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Terrarica,
1 Peter 1:10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Jeremiah 31:31-34Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
August 25, 2015 at 5:34 pm#802486
kerwin
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Nick,
Hi KW,
God did not glorify human wisdom through Paul.
Your lack of understanding shows or you would not accuse those approved of God of using human knowledge.
Jesus used both implication and logical reasoning to make the point that there is a Resurrection of the dead. Since his wisdom is not human wisdom it follows implications and logical reasoning are not in themselves human reasoning.
When you chose to say they are you accuse Jesus of using human reasoning.
You really should learn to give up lies you have been indoctrinated with.
August 25, 2015 at 6:46 pm#802488
NickHassan
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Hi KW,
You continue to confine the wisdom of God within the confines of carnal logic.
Such is folly.

August 26, 2015 at 2:37 am#802492
GeneBalthrop
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Nick……You are the one accusing people of using only human logic here, not kerwin, he is right, GOD CAN impute his logic to us through the spirit he has given us, who are you to say that what GOD HAS GIVEN US IS CARNEL REASONING. Have you now yourself become a GOD.?
peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene
August 26, 2015 at 5:27 am#802497
kerwin
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Nick,
Hi KW,
You continue to confine the wisdom of God within the confines of carnal logic.
Such is folly.
You are accusing Jesus of using carnal logic because he used logic.
Is that wise?
August 26, 2015 at 6:42 am#802500
NickHassan
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Hi KW,
When will you let divine wisdom rule?
Why do you judge everything by the mind of man?
August 26, 2015 at 8:26 am#802508
kerwin
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Nick,
I judge by fruit.
When you know that Jesus uses logic and you keep on calling it carnal it is clear that fruit of yours is not good.
Any reasonable person can see it.
You have been blinded to it and I assume it is by what you were taught.
August 26, 2015 at 9:26 am#802511
NickHassan
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Hi KW,
You foundation is human reason.
Surely you can find safer ground?
August 26, 2015 at 10:59 am#802517
kerwin
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Nick,
Does it sound better to claim that Jesus uses human reason than to claim he uses carnal logic?
In either case you are adding to Scripture.
August 26, 2015 at 11:09 am#802518
NickHassan
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Hi KW,
Can you not accept that God is in charge?
Raise your sights above the carnal world.
August 26, 2015 at 4:03 pm#802524
kerwin
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Nick,
You are tossing a red herring into the conversation as I accept and welcome God being in charge and there has been no evidence otherwise.
On the other hand you have not found support for the claim that logic is either carnal or even human in nature within Scripture.
You can as soon claim that words themselves are human and carnal with as much truth to the claim.
Like as on logic and reasoning of other types Jesus used them.
His logic, reasoning, or any other words he used were not based on the desires of flesh.
Why do I have to defend his choices from accusations leveled by one that claims to follow him.
August 26, 2015 at 4:36 pm#802527
Proclaimer
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The word ‘logic’ is derived from ‘logos’.
August 26, 2015 at 4:39 pm#802528
Proclaimer
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To me, it is logical that there is one God, not two, three, or four. It is also illogical to say that there is no God.
Is this carnal thinking or is it what we read in scripture, that no man has an excuse to deny God because the creation speaks of him. Is God’s existence logical and because of that, there is no excuse to deny him? Is it the fool that denies the most basic logic such as there is no God or there is no repercussions for doing bad things?
August 26, 2015 at 6:53 pm#802530
kerwin
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t8,
I am convinced that living creatures are “clocks” and God is the “Clockmaker”.
I do not know if I could figure out that there was but one God from nature itself.
I do know Scripture teaches us there is but one God that is one person and individuals have to abandon inspired logic to believe that there one God that is two or three persons.
Many have been taught falsely and though they abandon some of the lies of Satan they hold to others as if their salvation or perhaps sanity depend on it.
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