Where is Jesus in the Old Testament?

Many argue that Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Of course many religious Jews believe this to be the case because they do not believe he is the prophecied messiah. But there are also others who are not religious Jews who believe the Old Testament scriptures never mention or allude to Jesus being the messiah. Is this correct? Did the New Testament writers get a little too creative when they claim that Jesus fulfilled prophecies in the scriptures? Let’s take a look.

There is no argument that the New Testament contains gospels, letters, and teachings centred around the theme that Jesus is the Messiah. And we know that the Old Testament talks about the Messiah. But is there enough evidence to link this messiah to Jesus. Is there proof that he fulfilled the prophecies of the coming messiah as written in the Old Testament?

Yes indeed. There are Old Testament scriptures and prophecies that only Jesus of Nazareth has fulfilled. While his name is not mentioned for obvious reasons, Jesus Christ is certainly the only person in history to fulfil the prophecies and scriptures that we will look at.

Isaiah 51

This verse of the suffering messiah clearly speaks of Jesus. If you asked anybody who this verse is talking about, there is no doubt that the average person on the street would say it was Jesus. Even if you asked the average Jew this question, they too would say it is Jesus (Yeshua). Below is a video that proves this statement.

Next, we take a closer look at this chapter. While it seems to clearly point to Jesus Christ, some argue that it is talking about Israel. This is the go to interpretation for those who deny Jesus. Let’s imagine this is true and draw some conclusions from this interpretation to see if it makes any kind of sense. Listed below are the points this chapter makes that do not fit at all with Israel. The list comprises of 4 sentences with the word ‘Israel’ added in to see if it makes any sense. Following on from that, are the actual words of Isaiah 51.

  1. Israel has no beauty or majesty to attract us to him;
  2. Israel took up our pain,  bore our suffering, pierced for our transgressions, and by Israel’s wounds we are healed;
  3. Israel was assigned a grave with the wicked,  and with the rich in his death, though Israel had done no violence;
  4. Israel poured out his life as an offering for sin and will justify many,  and bear their iniquities.

1. Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

If you are fair and unbiased, it seems that Isaiah 51 is talking about Jesus. Further, Israel doesn’t seem to fit in this verse. While somethings could fit, points like suffering and dying for the sins of humanity doesn’t fit with Israel in the slightest.


Psalm 22

Just before Jesus died on the cross for humanities sins, he quoted Psalm 22:1. It is important to know that it was a practice to quote a scripture and the hearers recite the rest of the scripture. It was a good way to remember the scriptures. Jesus quoted the first verse in that Psalm so that the hearers might understand what was happening before their eyes. See Matthew 27:46:

About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Now look at Psalm 22:

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
    “let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

If you look at the above scripture and particularly the verses that are bolded, you will see that they are a very apt description for the death of Jesus. Let’s read what John wrote regarding the time just after the death of Jesus. It spells out some of the prophecies that were fulfilled.

John 19

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”

The New Testament writers certainly believed that Jesus fulfilled Old Testament scripture. If you do not believe this to be the case, then ask yourself who in history has fulfilled these. If you are rational about it, you would at least have to admit that Jesus was the lead contender. In fact the only contender to date.


Daniel 3

In the Book of Daniel, it appears that the Son of God makes an appearance with three men who have been cast alive into a furnace. A fourth person appears who King Nebuchadnezzar says “the fourth looks like a son of the gods.” In other words, if the gods had a son, then this was him. Of course, there is but one Almighty God, and yes he does have a son. It is possible that this fourth person is an angel, but throughout the Old Testament an appearance of the Angel of the LORD is frequent. Many say that this is Jesus Christ before he came in the flesh, but others say it cannot be him as the Son of God was never an angel. This view does have a lot of merit though. Let’s address it by first reading Daniel 3:15-25.

15 Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?” 16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” 19 Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual 20 and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. 21 So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. 22 The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, 23 and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace. 24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?” They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.” 25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”

The word Angel is found throughout the Old Testament. It usually refers to heavenly creature who delivers a message from God to humans. However, it can also refer to humans as they can be messengers too. Thus, angel or messenger can be applied to many kinds of being if they are a messenger of God. So this answers the concern that Jesus is not an angel. He actually is an angel or messenger, but not the usual messenger which are usually heavenly cherubs etc.

But there is a also a specific angel called: ‘The Angel of the LORD’ who appears numerous times in the Old Testament, but never in the New Testament. One reason for this could be that this messenger is none other than Jesus Christ before coming in the flesh and who would deny that Jesus is the main Messenger of God?

If this is him, then you would expect no appearances of this messenger during the time Jesus was alive on Earth and this is the case. It is also interesting to note that persons who saw this messenger as recorded in the Old Testament often said that they have seen God even though God himself is invisible. How do we make sense of this? Well in Colossians 1:15-16 we read:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians certainly fits with Jesus being the Angel of the LORD in the sense that there is no double up of them appearing at the same time and the fact that Jesus Christ is the exact image of the invisible God in bodily form whiches matches the description of seeing God. Let’s read more about the Angel of the LORD to see if this could be the identity of Jesus before he was born into this world.

To be continued.

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  • #20917
    david
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    He who is life was used to give life to all the messengers of all types and his primary role was not as a messenger but as Messiah, a vessel for the Father.


    I don't dispute this. But your point isn't really relevant. One of the ways he was a vessel was he role as the “Word,” or spokesman for Jehovah. He was, God's chief messenger…. his Archangel.

    #20918
    NickHassan
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    Quote (david @ June 28 2006,06:21)

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    Hi kenrch,
    Other princes exist, or Michael would not be called “one of the chief princes” in Daniel.
    The JWs went down this path and decided Jesus was an archangel because of comparing 1 Thess 4 with John, and then since they only found one in the bible decided Jesus was Michael.
    Any reading of Hebrews 1-2 , where Jesus is CONTRASTED with the angels must lead to the conclusion that he is not one.
    He is the LIFE. Their life came through him so he is greater than any ordinary messenger, or even a chief of those messengers.

    Hi Nick.
    Hebrews leads to that conclusion only if you have a very narrow view.
    Notice how it begins:
    Hebrews 1
    God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of [his] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. 4 So he has become better than the angels, to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.

    “So he became better than the angels.”  Does this mean that at one time he wasn't better than them?  I guess if you take this very literally it does.

    Anyway Nick it starts out by saying the different ways that God spoke to people, by prophets, and now He spoke to us by means of his very Son, his only begotten Son.
    If we go on to chapter 2, we see that it says:
    “2 For if the word spoken through angels proved to be firm, and every transgression and disobedient act received a retribution in harmony with justice; 3 how shall we escape if we have neglected a salvation of such greatness in that it began to be spoken through [our] Lord and was verified for us by those who heard him.”

    So, we are told that God has spoken to us through angels in the past.  And we are told that he has now spoken to us by means of His Son.  And the greatness of this Son is spoken of in contrast with the angels.
    So the strength and importance of the message is highlighted.  But this in itself does not mean that Jesus is not of the same group.

    If King Howard the seventh decides to give his servant half his kingdom you may say:
    “To what man has such an honor ever been given?”
    The answer is that to that servant man he gave it.

    “To which of the angels has he ever said….”  And you look at this as undisputable proof.  The answer is that: to Jesus he said it.

    It definitley contrasts the angels with Jesus, but doesn't show that Jesus is completely distinct  from them, any more  than the man whom half the kingdom was given is not a man.  He is a man.  But you still may well say after such a thing happens: “To what man has such a thing ever happened”?  It doesn't mean that the guy who it happened to isn't a man.  It simply shows the import of it, the significance, the honour.

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    The JWs went down this path and decided Jesus was an archangel because of comparing 1 Thess 4 with John, and then since they only found one in the bible decided Jesus was Michael.

    Bit of an oversimplification.  There are several lines of evidence pointing to this conclusion Nick.


    Hi david,
    TRhank you for your candid reply. The Son claimed to be the Life and scripture says all things came to be through him. Does this include the angels in your view?
    If it does does it then include him too?

    #20919
    david
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    The Son claimed to be the Life and scripture says all things came to be through him. Does this include the angels in your view?

    Yes it does.

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    If it does does it then include him too?

    Not really. It doesn't have to mean that. Especially if we understand what angels are.

    Angels are created spirit beings. The word angel simply means “messenger.”

    Jesus is a created spirit being, who happened to be Jehovahs greatest messenger. Of course, Jesus was very special, being the only begotten son. Unlike the other Son's of God, he was created by Jehovah himself.

    But, that said, the term “angel” applies to Jesus.

    #20920
    david
    Participant

    Nick, I've been gone for a few days. I have some catching up to do and you are keeping me here in this thread. I want to answer your questions, but I want to look at the other threads too. I will catch up on this later.

    david.

    #20923
    NickHassan
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    Quote (david @ June 28 2006,06:31)

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    Men are frequently called messengers in the bible and occasionally died because of that role, and even a donkey brought a message and these are not angels surely?

    You are right nick.  So what makes an angel an angel if it is not merely being a messenger?  Well, we know the angels are spirit creatures.  A donkey isn't a spirit creature.  A man isn't a spirit creature.  yes, they could be messengers, but no one would think they were an angel.  The angels are spirit beings.
    Was Jesus a spirit creature in heaven, just like the angels are?  yes.


    Hi david,
    I am amazed you think the Word who was God with God was only an angel servant.

    #20982
    david
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    Hi david,
    I am amazed you think the Word who was God with God was only an angel servant.

    Ok, I said that Jesus is a spirt creature. I said that the angels are spirit creatures. “Was Jesus a spirit creature in heaven, just like the angels are? yes.” I'm not saying that Jesus is just like the angels Nick. I'm saying that he's a spirit creature in heaven, as the angels are.

    To say that I believe that Jesus is “only an angel servant” is a gross misrepresentation of what I believe and what I just told you.

    “Only” an angel servant.
    When did I ever say this? In fact, didn’t I say the opposite?

    Working backwards, here is what I actually said to you. Notice especially the last comment:

    Jesus is a created spirit being, who happened to be Jehovahs greatest messenger. Of course, Jesus was very special, being the only begotten son.

    One of the ways he was a vessel was he role as the “Word,” or spokesman for Jehovah. He was, God's chief messenger…. his Archangel.

    Jesus was God's chief messenger.

    As I said, he was God's chief messenger, used for a special purpose. You may even call him an “arch” messenger, meaning “chief” messenger.

    Jesus is a spirit creature. He is definitely a messenger. Of course, not just any messenger. But, still, he did bring his Father's message. No, I'm not saying he's “just another angel,” but the term fits him in all ways.

    So, please stop believing or trying to convince people that I believe Jesus is “only” an angel servant. I don't remember ever conveying that thought Nick.

    #20983
    david
    Participant

    Maybe it was unclear that these were quotes from me in the past two pages:

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    Jesus is a created spirit being, who happened to be Jehovahs greatest messenger. Of course, Jesus was very special, being the only begotten son.

    One of the ways he was a vessel was he role as the “Word,” or spokesman for Jehovah. He was, God's chief messenger…. his Archangel.

    Jesus was God's chief messenger.

    As I said, he was God's chief messenger, used for a special purpose. You may even call him an “arch” messenger, meaning “chief” messenger.

    Jesus is a spirit creature. He is definitely a messenger. Of course, not just any messenger. But, still, he did bring his Father's message. No, I'm not saying he's “just another angel,” but the term fits him in all ways.

    Notice especially the last quote. Am I saying he's “only” an angel, or messenger? Obviously not.

    #20986
    NickHassan
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    Quote (david @ June 29 2006,02:54)

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    Hi david,
    I am amazed you think the Word who was God with God was only an angel servant.

    Ok, I said that Jesus is a spirt creature.  I said that the angels are spirit creatures.  “Was Jesus a spirit creature in heaven, just like the angels are?  yes.”  I'm not saying that Jesus is just like the angels Nick.  I'm saying that he's a spirit creature in heaven, as the angels are.  

    To say that I believe that Jesus is “only an angel servant” is a gross misrepresentation of what I believe and what I just told you.

    “Only” an angel servant.
    When did I ever say this?  In fact, didn’t I say the opposite?

    Working backwards, here is what I actually said to you.  Notice especially the last comment:

    Jesus is a created spirit being, who happened to be Jehovahs greatest messenger.  Of course, Jesus was very special, being the only begotten son.

    One of the ways he was a vessel was he role as the “Word,” or spokesman for Jehovah.  He was, God's chief messenger…. his Archangel.

    Jesus was God's chief messenger.

    As I said, he was God's chief messenger, used for a special purpose.  You may even call him an “arch” messenger, meaning “chief” messenger.

    Jesus is a spirit creature.  He is definitely a messenger.  Of course, not just any messenger.  But, still, he did bring his Father's message.  No, I'm not saying he's “just another angel,” but the term fits him in all ways.

    So, please stop believing or trying to convince people that I believe Jesus is “only” an angel servant.  I don't remember ever conveying that thought Nick.


    Hi david,
    Michael is said to one of the chief princes in Daniel. So there are other princes and other chief princes.
    The Son of God, in the same book, is said to be the prince of princes.
    That makes it clear that he;

    Is not Michael
    and
    Is greater than Michael

    Michael is an archangel or prince
    Jesus is greater than this archangel.

    #20988
    david
    Participant

    I'm sorry, how does that make it clear?
    And, can you now retract or explain this comment:

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    Hi david,
    I am amazed you think the Word who was God with God was only an angel servant.

    Can you still justify saying that I believe this?

    #20990
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (david @ June 28 2006,06:31)
    The angels are spirit beings.
    Was Jesus a spirit creature in heaven, just like the angels are?  yes.


    Hi david,
    You made this comment but you do not have any scriptural basis for it do you?
    .
    Are all spirit creatures the same in nature?
    You claim the Word is alike to angels but where is it written?

    What is written is that he is alike to God and all the rest is presumptuous speculation.

    #20996
    david
    Participant

    Nick, what is an angel? What is the very simple very basic meaning of “angel”?

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    Hi david,
    You made this comment but you do not have any scriptural basis for it do you?

    Which part are you disagreeing with?
    –that Jesus is a spirit creature in heaven?
    –or that angels are spirit creatures in heaven?

    #20998
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi david,
    That all spirit creatures are the same in nature.
    That is not written.

    #20999
    david
    Participant

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    What is written is that he is alike to God and all the rest is presumptuous speculation.

    He is “alike” God.

    Yes, he is the image of the invisible God. Being the firstborn of creation, he has spent a lot of time with His Father. He should be like him.

    But he is created, hence, called the Son. The Son of God.

    The angels are also created, called sons of God. (Job 38:7)

    Both the angels and Jesus were created. Not so of Jehovah God.
    Of course, Jesus is the only begotten Son.
    Nick, I'm not saying that Jesus is equal with the angels in authority or anything like that. I'm not trying to dishonour Jesus Christ. (no disrepect to the angels)

    Back to my question: What is an angel.

    #21000
    david
    Participant

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    Hi david,
    That all spirit creatures are the same in nature.
    That is not written.

    What do you know of the nature of spirit beings? Tell me, please….

    So you don't argue that:
    –that Jesus is a spirit creature in heaven?
    –or that angels are spirit creatures in heaven?

    #21001
    david
    Participant

    Both the Hebrew mal·´akh´ and the Greek ag´ge·los literally mean “messenger.”
    From the first book of the Bible to the last, these words occur nearly 400 times.

    When spirit messengers are indicated, the words are translated “angels,” but if the reference definitely is to human creatures, the rendering is “messengers.”

    So a spirit messenger is an angel. Jesus is a spirit creature. He was also the “Word,” God's spokesman, and brought God's message, not his own.

    Hence, the only thing holding us back is the image of the angels with wings and the image that you have of Jesus on the earth. They are not the same image and so, Jesus is not a spirit messenger, an angel.

    We shouldn't confuse the world's common views with what the Bible says.

    #21002
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi david,
    Are there different types of angels?

    Angelic majesties, Archangels, legions of warriors, messengers, watchers, cherubs, seraphim, cherubim, cherubs…..,

    Who has seen them to discuss in detail their nature and abilities?

    And you wish to include the Son of God among them?

    He was not an angel, but had angels ready to rescue him in the garden or even to lift him up to stop him stubbing his toe on a stone.

    #21013
    david
    Participant

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    Who has seen them to discuss in detail their nature and abilities?

    And you wish to include the Son of God among them?

    Well that says it all doesn't it? You keep implying that angels have a different “nature” than angels. Yet, you say: “Who has seen them to discuss their nature'?
    If you don't even know what angels are Nick, how can you say so certainly that the word “angel” cannot be applied to Christ Jesus?

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    Are there different types of angels?

    Angelic majesties, Archangels, legions of warriors, messengers, watchers, cherubs, seraphim, cherubim, cherubs…..,

    Nick, are there different types of men?
    majesties, chief men, warrior men, messenger men, doctor men, etc? Yet they are all men. You could say they all have the same nature.

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    He was not an angel, but had angels ready to rescue him in the garden


    If you're using the fact that the angels ministered to him, or were there to rescue him as proof that he cannot be an angel, I fail to understand your reasoning.
    If the Vice President needs help, he has aids. If he falls to the ground, many doctors rush to him. Yet, both the doctors and the VP are men, are they not? Both have the same nature, yes?

    “as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister [or “serve”]…” (mat 20:28)
    You say, the angels are for such and such a purpose–they're messengers or they serve. So, Jesus cannot possibly be called an angel. Yet, Jesus brought a message. Jesus came to “minister.”

    #21017
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi david,
    How do I know that the term angel cannot be applied to Jesus?

    Because the bible does not say Jesus is an angel and the bible is the basis for what we know about God and Jesus and the angels.

    To do so is to go beyond faith into vain presumption.

    To say he is Michael is to take such folly to a ridiculous extent.

    #21020
    david
    Participant

    JOHN 12:49
    “because I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.”

    hmmmm. Jesus was sent by his Father.
    hmmmm. He was commanded by his Father what to speak.
    Sounds an awefull lot like the exact definition of a messenger.

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    Because the bible does not say Jesus is an angel [literally “messenger”]and the bible is the basis for what we know about God and Jesus and the angels.

    What does the scripture above say Nick? Listen, even if you don't think he's an angel, you must admit that he did act as God's greatest messenger (among other things.) Since the word angel simply means messenger….

    Nick, why do you keep mentioning Michael the archangel. I'm not bringing it up, but you keep discussing it. I'd rather keep that subject in it's own forum. But you keep mentioning it, so I feel I must add this. It doesn't take into account books which are not inspired of God, but is based on the Bible:


    WHO IS MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL?
    The spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name–“Who is Like God?”
    He is referred to as “the great prince who has charge of your [Daniel’s] people,” and as “the archangel.” (Dan. 10:13; 12:1; Jude 9, RS)
    At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon (Gen 49:1,2; Mat 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. There is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus. There are 5 or so points that all strongly imply it however.

    JESUS CALLS OUT WITH AN ARCHANGELS VOICE.
    At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (RS), the command of Jesus Christ for the resurrection to begin is described as “the archangel’s call,” and Jude 9 says that the archangel is Michael.
    It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call “with an archangel’s voice.” Would it be appropriate to liken Jesus’ commanding call to that of someone lesser in authority?
    For example, a king is above a noble. If you have a king, someone in great power and he calls out something of importance, you wouldn’t say: ‘He called out with a nobles voice,’ unless the King was a also a noble. If the king wasn’t a noble, you would say: He called out with the voice of a king. To say he called out with a nobles voice would be to diminish him, UNLESS HE WAS BOTH A NOBLE AND A KING.
    It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14)
    If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.
    Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ.

    “ARCHANGEL” IS NEVER FOUND IN PLURAL IN SCRIPTURE.
    Interestingly, the expression “archangel” is only found in the singular, never in the plural in the Scriptures, thus implying that there is only one. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.

    WHO TAKES ACTION AGAINST SATAN, “RULER OF THIS WORLD”?
    Revelation 12:7-12 says that Michael and his angels would war against Satan and hurl him and his wicked angels out of heaven in connection with the conferring of kingly authority on Christ. Jesus is later depicted as leading the armies of heaven in war against the nations of the world. (Rev. 19:11-16)
    Is it not reasonable that Jesus would also be the one to take action against the one he described as “ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil? (John 12:31)
    Daniel 12:1 (RS) associates the ‘standing up of Michael’ to act with authority with “a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.” That would certainly fit the experience of the nations when Christ as heavenly executioner takes action against them.
    So the evidence indicates that the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth and is known also by that name since his return to heaven where he resides as the glorified spirit Son of God.

    WHO ELSE IS SPOKEN OF AS HAVING ANGELS UNDER SUBJECTION?
    Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ. (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31) The apostle Paul made specific mention of “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: “He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.”—1 Peter 3:22.
    ARMY LEADER:
    The Bible states that “Michael and HIS angels battled with the dragon….and its angels.” (Rev 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Rev 19:14-16) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels” (2 Thess 1:7; Mat 16:27; 24:31; 1 Pet 3:22) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Mat 13:41) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven–one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus–it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.

    JESUS IS COMMISSIONED TO DESTROY ALL THE NATIONS AT ARMAGEDDON
    There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon.—Re 11:15; 16:14-16.

    Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.

    #21021
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi david,
    Please stay within scriptural proofs as that is what we share.
    The rest is one and one makes three.

    Going beyond scripture and saying that Jesus
    acts like a messenger and
    messengers are angels and
    so we should conclude he must be an angel
    does you know favours in a biblical forum where we show light on what IS REVEALED in scripture.

    Bold type makes such vain speculations no more true either.

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