Where is Jesus in the Old Testament?

Many argue that Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Of course many religious Jews believe this to be the case because they do not believe he is the prophecied messiah. But there are also others who are not religious Jews who believe the Old Testament scriptures never mention or allude to Jesus being the messiah. Is this correct? Did the New Testament writers get a little too creative when they claim that Jesus fulfilled prophecies in the scriptures? Let’s take a look.

There is no argument that the New Testament contains gospels, letters, and teachings centred around the theme that Jesus is the Messiah. And we know that the Old Testament talks about the Messiah. But is there enough evidence to link this messiah to Jesus. Is there proof that he fulfilled the prophecies of the coming messiah as written in the Old Testament?

Yes indeed. There are Old Testament scriptures and prophecies that only Jesus of Nazareth has fulfilled. While his name is not mentioned for obvious reasons, Jesus Christ is certainly the only person in history to fulfil the prophecies and scriptures that we will look at.

Isaiah 51

This verse of the suffering messiah clearly speaks of Jesus. If you asked anybody who this verse is talking about, there is no doubt that the average person on the street would say it was Jesus. Even if you asked the average Jew this question, they too would say it is Jesus (Yeshua). Below is a video that proves this statement.

Next, we take a closer look at this chapter. While it seems to clearly point to Jesus Christ, some argue that it is talking about Israel. This is the go to interpretation for those who deny Jesus. Let’s imagine this is true and draw some conclusions from this interpretation to see if it makes any kind of sense. Listed below are the points this chapter makes that do not fit at all with Israel. The list comprises of 4 sentences with the word ‘Israel’ added in to see if it makes any sense. Following on from that, are the actual words of Isaiah 51.

  1. Israel has no beauty or majesty to attract us to him;
  2. Israel took up our pain,  bore our suffering, pierced for our transgressions, and by Israel’s wounds we are healed;
  3. Israel was assigned a grave with the wicked,  and with the rich in his death, though Israel had done no violence;
  4. Israel poured out his life as an offering for sin and will justify many,  and bear their iniquities.

1. Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

If you are fair and unbiased, it seems that Isaiah 51 is talking about Jesus. Further, Israel doesn’t seem to fit in this verse. While somethings could fit, points like suffering and dying for the sins of humanity doesn’t fit with Israel in the slightest.


Psalm 22

Just before Jesus died on the cross for humanities sins, he quoted Psalm 22:1. It is important to know that it was a practice to quote a scripture and the hearers recite the rest of the scripture. It was a good way to remember the scriptures. Jesus quoted the first verse in that Psalm so that the hearers might understand what was happening before their eyes. See Matthew 27:46:

About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Now look at Psalm 22:

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
    “let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

If you look at the above scripture and particularly the verses that are bolded, you will see that they are a very apt description for the death of Jesus. Let’s read what John wrote regarding the time just after the death of Jesus. It spells out some of the prophecies that were fulfilled.

John 19

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”

The New Testament writers certainly believed that Jesus fulfilled Old Testament scripture. If you do not believe this to be the case, then ask yourself who in history has fulfilled these. If you are rational about it, you would at least have to admit that Jesus was the lead contender. In fact the only contender to date.


Daniel 3

In the Book of Daniel, it appears that the Son of God makes an appearance with three men who have been cast alive into a furnace. A fourth person appears who King Nebuchadnezzar says “the fourth looks like a son of the gods.” In other words, if the gods had a son, then this was him. Of course, there is but one Almighty God, and yes he does have a son. It is possible that this fourth person is an angel, but throughout the Old Testament an appearance of the Angel of the LORD is frequent. Many say that this is Jesus Christ before he came in the flesh, but others say it cannot be him as the Son of God was never an angel. This view does have a lot of merit though. Let’s address it by first reading Daniel 3:15-25.

15 Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?” 16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” 19 Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual 20 and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. 21 So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. 22 The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, 23 and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace. 24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?” They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.” 25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”

The word Angel is found throughout the Old Testament. It usually refers to heavenly creature who delivers a message from God to humans. However, it can also refer to humans as they can be messengers too. Thus, angel or messenger can be applied to many kinds of being if they are a messenger of God. So this answers the concern that Jesus is not an angel. He actually is an angel or messenger, but not the usual messenger which are usually heavenly cherubs etc.

But there is a also a specific angel called: ‘The Angel of the LORD’ who appears numerous times in the Old Testament, but never in the New Testament. One reason for this could be that this messenger is none other than Jesus Christ before coming in the flesh and who would deny that Jesus is the main Messenger of God?

If this is him, then you would expect no appearances of this messenger during the time Jesus was alive on Earth and this is the case. It is also interesting to note that persons who saw this messenger as recorded in the Old Testament often said that they have seen God even though God himself is invisible. How do we make sense of this? Well in Colossians 1:15-16 we read:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians certainly fits with Jesus being the Angel of the LORD in the sense that there is no double up of them appearing at the same time and the fact that Jesus Christ is the exact image of the invisible God in bodily form whiches matches the description of seeing God. Let’s read more about the Angel of the LORD to see if this could be the identity of Jesus before he was born into this world.

To be continued.

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  • #297894
    Ed J
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,06:19)
    Hi ED,
    I realise demanding that your terms are met is your style.
    But this is not a dictatorship.


    Hi Nick,

    Is this another assumption on your part?
    I ain't demanding anything from you.
    WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #297900
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,
    Those who are CALLED to be teachers should not offer what is not scriptural should they?

    #297904
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,07:30)
    Hi ED,
    Those who are CALLED to be teachers should not offer what is not scriptural should they?


    Hi Nick,

    Do you mean like talking about what the hereafter might be like?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #297906
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    We either serve a master and abide in his words or we should reconsider if we were CALLED to be a teacher surely?

    #297913
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 14 2012,07:52)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,07:30)
    Hi ED,
    Those who are CALLED to be teachers should not offer what is not scriptural should they?


    Hi Nick,

    Do you mean like talking about what the hereafter might be like?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Nick,

    That doesn't appear to be an answer to my question?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #297926
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    Perhaps another thread might be appropriate for that discussion.
    The angel of the Lord moves and speaks and acts by the Spirit of God.

    #300062
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 14 2012,09:16)
    Hi T8,
    So do you have any scriptural witnesses to Jesus possibly being an angel?
    Otherwise the motion lapses.

    Heb 1.5 makes a point about angels not being THE SON OF GOD


    I have provided this scripture a number of times.

    “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”

    Also, I guess you deny that men can be angels too. But we know that scripture says that some men are angels.

    Also, can you honestly say that Jesus is not the Messenger of YHWH or even a messenger of YHWH? If not, then you are admitting that it is at least possible that he is a or the Messenger of YHWH.

    #300067
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ May 13 2012,22:13)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,18:41)
    Which ANGEL was God speaking about that was made the SON OF GOD or do you now admit you were wrong to say Jesus was an angel?


    Nick I beleive you are wrong on this.

    Here is why:

    “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”

    John the Baptist is called a messenger/angel.

    “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me”
    Confirmed here.

    Matthew 11:10
    “For this is he, of whom it is WRITTEN, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.”

    Jesus Christ is also called the angel/messenger in the second part of the verse.


    Hi T8,

    I disagree with you, and here's why:
    John prepared the way, which was the way
    of “God's Word” becoming flesh. (see John 1:14)
    Matthew 11:10 is entirely about John the baptist!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #300073
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 31 2012,00:09)

    Quote (t8 @ May 13 2012,22:13)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 13 2012,18:41)
    Which ANGEL was God speaking about that was made the SON OF GOD or do you now admit you were wrong to say Jesus was an angel?


    Nick I beleive you are wrong on this.

    Here is why:

    “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”

    John the Baptist is called a messenger/angel.

    “Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me”
    Confirmed here.

    Matthew 11:10
    “For this is he, of whom it is WRITTEN, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.”

    Jesus Christ is also called the angel/messenger in the second part of the verse.


    Hi T8,

    I disagree with you, and here's why:
    John prepared the way, which was the way
    of “God's Word” becoming flesh. (see John 1:14)
    Matthew 11:10 is entirely about John the baptist!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Yes I know you disagree Edj. Thanks for your view..

    Your view is that this description is John the Baptist.
    “even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come”

    Not that it makes it right, but it is widely accepted that this is Jesus Christ, so forgive me if I don't believe your view without question. Of course some decent reasoning or proof could help sway me to how you see it.

    #300075
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi T8, you got the story confused.
    The messenger of the covenant is Jesus.

    Malachi 3:1 mentions both, John the Baptist:
    the messenger that shall prepare the way, for the
    messenger of the covenant which is Jesus Christ the Lord.


    I colorized the verse of Mal 3:1 for you to see
    the difference between Jesus and John the Baptist:

    John the Baptist = Green
    and Jesus Christ = Blue

    Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare “the way”(Jesus Christ) before me(JEHOVAH):
    and the Lord (JEHOVAH), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(John 1:14), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ),
    whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (JEHOVAH) the “LORD of Hosts”.


    John the Baptist was a “Host”, Jesus Christ was a “Host” and
    we also are “Hosts” to the “HolySpirit” of Jehovah our “GOD”!


    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #300076
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    You may or may not believe as I do,
    but at least I want to to be clear
    as to exactly what I believe;
    NO MISCONCEPTIONS.

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #300113
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,
    The HOSTS surely are the angels.

    #300116
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 30 2012,22:12)
    I colorized the verse of Mal 3:1 for you to see
    the difference between Jesus and John the Baptist:

    John the Baptist = Green
    and Jesus Christ = Blue

    Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare “the way”(Jesus Christ) before me(JEHOVAH):
    and the Lord (JEHOVAH), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(John 1:14), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ),

    whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (JEHOVAH) the “LORD of Hosts”.


    Hi Nick,

    Please comment on your understanding of this verse, Nick; OK?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #300117
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    Mal 3:1
    Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me(God):

    and the Lord (God ), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(God as Spirit in Jesus Christ), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ),

    whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (God) the “LORD of Hosts”[Hosts of angels].

    John the Baptist does not PREPARE Jesus Christ.
    This is the only time Jesus is called the MESSENGER so any witnesses do not exist for developing theories he was an ANGEL.

    #300119
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    We pretty much see “eye to eye” on this verse then.     …Good!

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    #300122
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2012,00:52)
    Hi Ed,

    Mal 3:1
    Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me(God):

    and the Lord (God ), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(God as Spirit in Jesus Christ), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ),

    whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (God) the “LORD of Hosts”[Hosts of angels].

    John the Baptist does not PREPARE Jesus Christ.
    This is the only time Jesus is called the MESSENGER so any witnesses do not exist for developing theories he was an ANGEL.


    Nick, Ed J., and T8;

    John the Baptist is the messenger but “me” is Jehovah dwelling in Jesus through the Spirit.

    #300129
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ May 31 2012,06:07)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2012,00:52)
    Hi Ed,

    Mal 3:1
    Behold, I will send my messenger (John the Baptist), and he shall prepare the way before me(God):

    and the Lord (God ), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple(God as Spirit in Jesus Christ), even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus Christ),

    whom ye delight in: behold, he(My Spirit) shall come, saith (God) the “LORD of Hosts”[Hosts of angels].

    John the Baptist does not PREPARE Jesus Christ.
    This is the only time Jesus is called the MESSENGER so any witnesses do not exist for developing theories he was an ANGEL.


    Nick, Ed J., and T8;

    John the Baptist is the messenger but “me” is Jehovah dwelling in Jesus through the Spirit.


    Hi Kerwin,

    That is what both me and Nick have both professed, Kerwin.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #300170
    kerwin
    Participant

    To all;

    Matthew 3
    New International Version (NIV)

    3 In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.” 3 This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah:

    “A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
    ‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
       make straight paths for him.’”[a]

    #300488
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 31 2012,01:12)
    Hi T8, you got the story confused.
    The messenger of the covenant is Jesus.

    Malachi 3:1 mentions both, John the Baptist:
    the messenger that shall prepare the way, for the
    messenger of the covenant which is Jesus Christ the Lord.


    Edj.
    Are you joking with me? If not, then you are the one who is confused.

    This is exactly what I was saying all a long.
    Because you disagreed with what I was saying, I assumed that you denied that Jesus was called a messenger in this scripture because you said it was about John the Baptist and not Jesus at all, when I was saying that both Jesus and John were being referenced.

    It appears you are now saying that indeed Jesus was a messenger too which is the same as saying that Jesus was an angel as the English words messenger and angel are the same Greek word.

    Why does everything take so long to establish here. If we read what others are actually saying then it would be much easier for all.

    #300489
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 31 2012,08:52)
    John the Baptist does not PREPARE Jesus Christ.
    This is the only time Jesus is called the MESSENGER so any witnesses do not exist for developing theories he was an ANGEL.


    What part of messenger and angel being the exact same word in the Greek do you not understand. Is this fact really that hard to grasp? For most it is something that can be understood immediately.

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