Where is God exactly?

Scientists believe that space is something. Even between electrons, there is something. They call it dark matter and dark energy because it cannot be seen.

If you took away all that was visible from the universe, except you and you were able to spin around, what would you be spinning around in relation to? Well that would be space itself. It is said that your arms would still fly out if you spun around because of space itself.

I sometimes think of the universe as layers. What would happen if we went down to the smallest layer what would we find? God? If we went the other way and traveled to the edge of the universe and took a peek, what would we find? God? (I understand that God is invisible, so you wouldn’t literally see him). So perhaps the physical realm is but that which sits between the smallest and the biggest. A certain state that God holds with his Word.

Interestingly enough, The Planck Length describes the limits of the physical realm because if you draw a line from A to B and do so in half distance increments, then you would mathematically be able to travel forever in a straight line and never reach the end. How could that be?

And if you divide time or space and keep doing that would it also go forever? Apparently not. There is a length so small it is indivisible. When you drill down to the smallest of things, the laws of the physical universe are no longer what you see, thus why Quantum Physics is so hard to understand. Is this an edge or a boundary to the universe? Perhaps so, if we define the universe as being governed by physical laws.

Because you cannot keep dividing matter and still see matter forever, it stands to reason that there must exist something beyond that and that something could be everywhere.

Perhaps beyond this micro boundary and possibly beyond the macro boundary too, is where God’s Spirit is. He is the beginning and the end. The smallest and the biggest. He is bigger than the universe and can dwell inside the smallest particle. He dwells in the universe by his spirit and is also outside the universe because it is said that not even the universe cannot contain him.

Just ideas, and a possible way to see how creation is sustained by God. So unlike the view that God doesn’t exist because we cannot see him, or that God is the Universe itself, this can explain why we can’t see God and   why he is not the the atom itself. It also explains how God can be in everything and yet not be everything, rather he can reside in all things and beyond the Universe too. Maybe the most extreme macro and micro scales are the same thing, the place where God’s Spirit resides.

So I postulate that his Spirit is inside the smallest things that make up creation. If we were able to drill down far enough, the Physical realm would give way to another realm.

So what is the smallest thing/things in the universe? We know there are subatomic particles, but Physicists think that all these particles could be different waves of the smallest of things they call strings. Hence ‘String Theory’. Physicists have known for 100 years or so that the subatomic world is just weird and the absence of something visible that accounts for all the missing gravity in the Universe is also weird.

One explanation that answers both is that the gravity is coming from another dimension and influencing our dimension. And where is this dimension, well it might actually be the spiritual realm. But where is the Spiritual Realm in relation to the realm that we see?

Have you heard the saying, “follow the money”? That can be one way to solve a crime. So what should we follow in order to know where God’s Spirit exactly resides? I would hazard a guess and say that we follow  energy. And why energy? Because God created all things. He was the first mover. So just as following the money can lead us to the perpetrator of a crime, perhaps following energy leads us to the first cause which we know is God.

It is common knowledge that the smaller you shrink down the more concentrated the energy. A Kiwi by the name of Rutherford was the first to split the atom. And isn’t it weird that when you split the smallest of things, you can release the biggest of energies. This is why the Atom bomb is such a devastating weapon.

So if we follow the energy, we see it is coming from or in concentrated form within the atomic world. But what is beyond the atomic world? It could be the spiritual realm and beyond that, the Spirit of God and hence why HE can reside IN ALL things.

But what other tantalizing clues point to God’s spirit being there? Well for one thing, in the subatomic world, it is said that an electron resides everywhere. Rather than spinning around the nucleus like a planet around the sun, each electron is everywhere you look. Time doesn’t seem to work here. Also, sub-atomic particles can’t be boxed in. When scientists try to do that, these particles always breakthrough because it seems impossible to contain them.

In our realm, if you throw a ball at a wall, it will bounce off the wall, unless you throw it hard enough and the ball is hard enough. A sub-atomic particle always breaks through the wall no matter how much energy or how fast or slow it is travelling. Physicists think that because of the omnipresent nature of these particles, it is possible that these particles can borrow energy from the past and the future in order to always remain free or that the particle was already beyond the wall at the same time you tried to trap it inside the wall. In other words, time, space, and our reality break down. So it seems that subatomic particles and the Quantum realm are one thing, while the physical realm that we observe is another.

But therein lies a paradox. We are made up of these particles, but it seems that the bigger the collection of particles, the more we are subject to the laws of the Universe or dimensions such as time and space. So what happens when we die and we are free of the body of these particles? Are we then in the realm where time and space no longer affect us? And if so, who resides at the deepest level where time and space is no longer affecting us. And if we could travel in time and meet ourselves, would we see another you, a copy of you, or would you be both persons in two bodies? I think the latter, but God doesn’t allow this to happen using his laws to accomplish this.

Is it not God that is beyond time and space. And surely he is beyond his own creation. Perhaps what we think of sinking down to the level of the smallest of things is in actual fact an ascension into the highest of realms?

More questions than answers I know. But I do like this following scripture:

Ecclesiastes 3:11
He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.


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  • #815417
    Proclaimer
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    Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Faith is also personal. When I was an Atheist, I asked God to prove himself to me and that he did. I wouldn’t consider this proof for anyone but myself and that is why it is my faith. I cannot give anyone my faith. They have to seek for themselves if they want faith in God.

    That said, there are things that do prove the existence of God because he is self-evident. But as to who that God is, only those who seek God can know him. All else is religion that men practice as a way to get to know this God. But unless you seek God for yourself, and as long as your connection with God is exclusively through a religious organisation or another person, then that is as long as you have not found God.

    #815424
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Realise that the works of God are enabled by the Spirit of God and your judgements will cease.

    Ascribing to man what is of God is folly.

    Nick, I challenge you to look into the mirror and see what manner of man you have become and end your obsession with judging all but yourself. I think I have given you good advice Nick and that you would do well to heed it.

    #815434
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hello again, t8,

    Organized religion is probably the worst form of religion, until you consider the alternative.  Many people need the support  of religious organizations in order to better understand their connection to God.  As much as religion can stand in the way, it can really help. As I said in earlier posts, there is too much cowboy theology today.  You really don’t need any form of studying, God forbid you should study theology or  philosophy, skip the church fathers, history. Just sit back, relax, and that a nice, lazy anti-intellectual approach.  Anyone with over an eighth-grade education, back of the pews. The result of all this do-it-yourself faith is a very superficial level of understanding and a very uninspirational  faith. The most telling criticism of the churches  is that they are often downright boring.  Today, sociologists speak bout teh “nones.”  The latter term denotes individuals fantastically interested in spirituality, yet want nothing to do with the churches.  Why?  The churches are boring, fail to educate.  That’s a shame, because in the faith-revelatory situation, we can get easily confused.  We need a time out, a place to go where we can share notes and gain a better perspective on what’s happening.

    #815435
    NickHassan
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    Hi hoghead,

    So which denominational division offers men the truth?

    Is Christ divided?

    #815491
    kerwin
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    Technically the statement faith in God is evidence of God is a logical fallacy and thus a broken claim.

    Obviously the correct understanding is not broken so the words of Scripture that are being applied need to be looked at deeper.

    #815500
    hoghead1
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    Hi, Kerwin,

    I don’t know where you are coming from with your above statement about faith in God.  Where does this fit into the ongoing discussion?  Offhand, I am inclined to disagree with you.  Faith in God is a kind of proof for God. All our concepts, no matter how imaginative some may be, are rooted in reality.  Human imagination is never very free.  So there must be some higher power, some higher way higher level of being, out  there, something that humans have concretely experienced, as otherwise, nobody would bother to think about God at all, we would have no such concept. Furthermore belief in God is a very ancient, universal phenomenon.  And that strongly suggests humans need to have a God.  Now the system that generates the needs always meets the needs.  There isn’t one thing we need that can’t be fund in reality.  We need water, and there is water.  If you became  a drug addict even, and needed drugs, there are drugs out there. So it stand to reason that if we need God, there is a God.

    #815504
    kerwin
    Participant

    Hoghead,

    I am a slave to my imagination though thankful not to the degree of one of my uncles as I can function at an acceptable level. I imagine many and I hope do not exist and some are outright libel.

    A human may believe is Thor but that does not mean the god of thunder exists.

    A male may believe he a brother but that doe not mean he does.

    I am coming from that passage that goes like “For now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen.”

    I simply do not understand the spirit of the words though they are pretty.

    #815522
    AndrewAD
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    Kerwin,

    It’s quite simple in that he that comes to God must believe that he is…Heb11:6 for without faith it’s impossible to please him etc. If one does not believe in God then he is not real to them.

    #815524
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hello, Kerwin,

    You’d be surprised how much of what you can imagine, does exist, or at least has a basis in actual matters of fact.  Take all those horror films about the Bogey Man. Yes, they are fiction to a large extent, but not wholly so .  Read some time about the true story of Ed Gein (sp.), a real bogey man, in  the late 50’s,  who lived in the stereotypic spooky, rundown house, who looked really gross and creepy,  and who really did dig up graves and kill women and make masks out of human flesh,  and a host of other things so horrible not even Hollywood would bring them up.   His true story was the reality  basis for Hitchcock’s “Psycho.” And then, of course, good, old Jeffery Dalmer, the cannibal. Maybe Thor doesn’t exist, maybe Thor is more imagination than reality.  However, there still is a reality basis to Thor.  You cannot   discount the fact  all our concepts have roots in reality, that humans would have never come up with the  concept of a God, had they not encountered one, however fancifully they may have elaborated on their experiences, in the later telling.

    #815557
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    ”  Now the system that generates the needs always meets the needs.  There isn’t one thing we need that can’t be fund in reality.  We need water, and there is water.  If you became  a drug addict even, and needed drugs, there are drugs out there. So it stand to reason that if we need God, there is a God.”

    All people need water,not all need drugs,and some people live quite comfortably in this world without faith in a God. Even the bible tells us “the fool has said in his heart there is no God” yet there are many laments  in the OT about how the wicked and godless prosper in this world.

    Yet even some of the Greek and Roman philosophers in all their ponderings and storytelling about gods would admit that it was all a way to control the populace.

    If you feel you have a need for a god you can find one,but how? By simple faith,for by it all the patriarchs and saints did great deeds by looking/believing in things that they did not see. For they looked for a heavenly city which hath foundations whose builder and maker is God.

    #815560
    942767
    Participant

    Hi AndrewAD

    Every born again believer has the Father dwelling within himself, and this is the witness that testifies that His Word is true:

    Romans 8

    So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

    But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

    11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    (But God has made promises to me relative to the salvation of my wife and my son, and about the ministry that he has for me.  I believe these promises by “faith” although the promises have not yet been made manifest.  But as for my ministry, there are things happening every day which are proof to me that God is faithful.)

    About Abraham on this subject the scriptures state:

    Hebrews 11:

    By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

    By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

    10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

     

     

    #815563
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    That’s great Marty and I pray it all goes well with you as you fight the good fight of faith.

    #815567
    942767
    Participant

    Thanks, AndrewAD, and I pray that God would bless you and yours.

    #815587
    hoghead1
    Participant

    HI, Andrewe,

    Those people who are addicts do in fact need drugs. For example, alcoholics going cold turkey can die. As to people not needing  God, truth is, they do make a God out of something, whether it me money, power.  The Stalinisitc  Soviet Union stated officially there was no God, yet Stalin took on godlike powers.

    #815622
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    God is not scientific despite your best efforts to teach that He is.

    Yor boxes will never be BIG enough.

    Nick, ‘sciences means ‘knowledge’. And without knowledge you can perish.

    The word ‘conscience’ for example just means ‘with knowledge’.

    There is certainly a thing called the knowledge of God. If we didn’t have that then we would be Atheists.

    The problem is not science, it is lies pretending to be science.

    There is knowledge that shows us that God exists and we are without excuse. That is science Nick. We use science for all kinds of things. Medical science, computer science, physics, etc. There is also knowledge of God and we can seek God there too. Ironically you say that “your boxes will never be big enough’ and I agree. But your answer seems to make the box smaller by eliminating science/knowledge of God.

    Oh the irony.

    #815632
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Knowing God and being known by Him is the goal.

    This has little to do with knowing about Him.

    Heb 11.6 points the way

    #815658
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    A good conversation in this page guys. 🙂

    #815659
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Nick, if you were not interested about your wife or your siblings apart from knowing them, then to me that is a contradiction.

    I think knowing someone and wanting to know them more shows itself in a passion for knowing about them too.

    If you love God, I think you would be interested in all aspects of God and seek him on every level that the creator gave you the ability to ponder.

    #815735
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The Good Force be with you!

     

    God is omnipresent, He is everywhere, He is in Me, and He is in you!

     

    Yes, truly, we live forever & prosper! Alleluia! Amen! <3 🙂 * (Y)

    #815739
    hoghead1
    Participant

    He, Melvyn,

    Yes, very true.  God is omnipresent.

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