The Book of Enoch – Audio

Interesting read through. I can certainly tell the difference between the posters who studied through Enoch and those who either have not read it or did not give it a thorough go. I am convinced beyond doubt that the new testament writers considered it inspired. Arguments can be made that demonstrate corruption of the enoch text and I have no doubt there are quite a few.

My personal opinion is that the brothers of these fallen angels who did not cohabit, yet still rebelled are alive and well with satan. I also believe the disembodied spirits of the nephelim (giants) or demons are alive and well. I think that the role these beings have played in our history is phenominal. I think they work tirelessly to hide their existence, to keep man from knowing what they have done in our past and what they still are doing to this day. I find it very suspicious that the truth about the angelic activities in scripture have been hidden from us. Who do you think orcestrated that?

excellent book I recommend is the

Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse

by Patrick Heron

It is in the ethopic canon. so that is not really a relevant argument. It has been in the bible for 2000 years, just not in the western canon.

It would be like saying “If God didn't want church tradition, the scriptures and the Trinity doctrine all in existence the way they are today then he would have done it differently”.
Is Satan and Church history more powerful than God?

The Trinity is man's idea. I don't see the trinity doctrine anywhere in the bible.

As you say the book of Enoch is not scripture and shouldn't be treated as such. I always duck when Satan sends his fiery dart at me. But I wouldn't quite say I stick my head in the sand.

There is no mention of a “book” of Enoch in the word of God. There are other “books” mentioned in the bible but no Book of Enoch.
The Book of Wars – Num. 21:14 The Book of Jasher – Josh. 10:13 The Chronicles of David – 1 Chron. 27:24 The Book of the Kings of Israel and Judah – 2 Chron. 27:7; 35:27; 36:8 The Book of the Kings of Israel – 1 Chron. 9:1; 2 Chron. 20:34. The Words of the Kings of Israel – 2 Chron. 33:18. The Decree of David the King of Israel – 2 Chron. 35:4. The Chronicles of Samuel the Seer – 1 Chron. 29:29 The Chronicles of Nathan the Prophet – 1 Chron. 29:29 The Book of Gad – 1 Chron. 29:29 The Book of the Prophet Iddo – 2 Chron. 13:22 The Words of Shemaiah the Prophet – 2 Chron. 12:15 The Deeds of Uzziah by Isaiah the Prophet – 2 Chron. 26:22; 32:32 The Book of Jehu – 2 Chron. 20:34 The Record book of Ahasuerus – Esther 2:23; 6:1 The Book of Remembrance – Mal. 3:16 The Book of Life – Dan. 12:1; Phil. 4:3; Rev. 20:11; 22:19 The Book of Judgment – Dan. 7:10; Rev. 20:12 The seven-sealed book – Rev. 5:1, 13. An angel's book – Rev. 10:2

I have read some of all the “other” books. I see the “other” books as a diversion to the true word of God. I believe that the word of God is complete. The book of Enoch is not included in God's letter to His children. If one gets off the main hwy and takes an alternate route then they will have to back track to get back on the right road. I don't believe I will know the whole meaning of the bible in my lifetime. I don't need to be side tracked.

Personally I see no need to waste my time.

Dear Mercy,

The important thing to remember is the the book of Enoch is not even recognized by the Jewish Rabinical order who are responsible for the keeping of the torah. If they do not recognize this book as authentic, why should we? Especially since the Old Testament was theirs from God.

Matthew 23:15

15″Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are

Matthew 16:5-12

5When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread. 6″Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
7They discussed this among themselves and said, “It is because we didn't bring any bread.” 8Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9Do you still not understand? Don't you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 10Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 11How is it you don't understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

I don't consider Jewish scribes to be reliable resources. After all they left out 27 books from their canon as well.

Dear Mercy, lol, you can't judge them as to their stand on the OT to that of the NT. Common sense alone will tell yo that. They viewed Jesus as a false prophet and a threat to the Jewish religion. By the time Jesus had been born, the OT was already in place. Our Lord quoted from it and everything he quoted from was recognized by the Rabinical order. There is nothing in the gospels of Jesus quoting from anything that was unrecognized.

Hi Mercy,
An excellent insight. Thanks.

I stand with ya on God's word being infallable, but I don't quite get what scripture and verse you have that says the KJV of 1611 is an inspired translation. I love the KJV, but I don't think the translators were inspired.

The doctrine of preservation of God's word, I whole hardedly agree with. I just don't believe that the preserving has taken place in the manner that KJV purists hold to. I believe in the inspired writ of the original manuscripts and their preservation throughout time til (via copying) our current day. I can't find any scriptural teaching that future translators will be without error.

The New Testament is the most accurate and preserved document we have in existance. We have 5600 complete copies of ancient New Testaments and thousands of more fragments and documentary evidence. I call that preservation!!!

I use the KJV as my hardcore study bible because it is a word for word translation and because of the Strong's concordance. The Thee's and Thou's are actually useful, unbeknownst to many, since it helps distinguish who is being spoken to our about, whether in the singular or plural tense. I love the english of that time period it was probably at it's most pure then.

I am sure you have been hit over the head with the 1 John 5:7 verse before, but I think it needs another bonk, I hit lightly.

However, I find that most all translations have errors. Thats why i feel it is important to reference the original language myself.

Case in point for most all translations:

2 Thessalonians 2:7
The famous “taken out of the way” verse that leads to the false teaching of the rapture. Should be translated “until it comes out of the midst”.

ginemai (1096) it comes
ek (1537)
mesou (3319,3326)

A while ago, someone quoted this website:

http://a-voice.org/qa/enoch.htm

This website states that the books of Enoch is dedicated to Satan and his demons, and is really “doctrine of demons.” (1 tim 4:1)

The website lists some reasons why the guy who just skimmed over it found for not believing that it is really written by Enoch.

While Soxan was able to disagree and say that he was sure there was explanations for the discrepencies I'm wondering what those explanations are. Anyone?