1 Peter 2: 6-8

1 Peter 2
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”

The argument made here is that this text read with Isaiah 8:12-15 shows that Jesus is God. So let’s look at that scripture:

Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Okay so the argument is made that Jesus is called a stone and so is God.

The first obvious thing to point out is that when God decides to become something such as a rock of offense, he personally doesn’t turn up as that rock, but sends a messenger. We see in other scriptures that God is light, yet he sends Jesus into the world and Jesus proclaims that “he is the light of the world”. When Jesus is about to leave this world he passes on this mantle to us, (the Church) when he proclaimed, “You are the light of the world” in Matthew 5:14.

“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; 15nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house.…

So when God sent light into this dark world, he sent a messenger. If we conclude that God is light and Jesus is the light means that Jesus is God, then you also have to believe that we (the Church) are God. Thus if God refers to himself as a stone and sends Jesus who is identified as the stone, then that is not a valid proof that the verse means that Jesusis God.

Further, there is another main point that needs to be understood here. When you look at Isaiah 8:12-15, it becomes very clear that YHWH is actually talking about another as the rock and not himself. Read closely.

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”

Notice the words, “I lay a stone”. I guess that Trinitarians just read it as “I am this stone”. But it does not say that or refer to that.
Now notice the words “a chosen and precious cornerstone”. If God is the stone, then ask yourself who is the one who CHOSE the stone?

Again this so-called Trinity proof verse is easily exposed when you decide to read the text carefully and without bias. Obviously, our brother Peter doesn’t support the view that Jesus is God when he talks about Jesus being the stone that causes people to stumble.

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  • #779432
    NickHassan
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    Hi LU,

    The Lord of Hosts is the father.

    You are confused

    #779433
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    God with God?

    We have one God, the father.

     

    Babylonian religion confuses you

    #779434
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Whatever is OF GOD

    is NOT GOD

    #779436
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Scripture tells us God was in Christ.

    God in God??

    #779445
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @NickHassan
    you said:

    The Lord of Hosts is the father.

    Not in Isaiah
    Isaiah 8:12-15
    11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
    12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
    13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
    14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
    15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

    #779446
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @NickHassan
    you said:

    We have one God, the father.

    True, and He is with the person who is called theos in scripture, and this theos is who the Christians refer to as our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    #779448
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    The way to truth is not though weak theology

    #779449
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @NickHassan
    you said:

    Whatever is OF GOD

    is NOT GOD

    The true eternal offspring is the same kind of being as His Father…and thus the Son is the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, the invisible God…The only begotten God has come to explain God, His Father.

    #779451
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @NickHassan
    Jesus says:
    Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

    #779452
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @NickHassan
    you said:

    The way to truth is not though weak theology

    True…you ought to study God’s Word. In it there is truth.

    #779453
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi kathi

    Of all the persons who are called theos in scripture, how many have dominion over all creation forever and ever?

    only one the creator of all things GOD ALMIGHTY THE FATHER FOR he his THE GOD OF gods

    #779455
    Lightenup
    Participant

    @terraricca
    So you don’t think that two persons have dominion over all creation for ever and ever?
    Rev 5:13
    And every created thing which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things are in them, heard I saying, Unto him that sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be the blessing, and the honor, and the glory, and the dominion, for ever and ever.

    #779456
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Yet you rely on possible IMPLICATIONS not what is written?

     

    #779457
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Why do you think Isaiah IMPLIES that someone other than the God of Israel is spoken of??

    #779458
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    I am not one with those who worship other gods.

    #779459
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    We worship one God the Father.

    Not those who are WITH HIM.

    #779460
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Jesus went to His God and our God. Jn 20.17

    Who did he ascend to?

     

    #779469
    terraricca
    Participant

    hi Kathy

    So you don’t think that two persons have dominion over all creation for ever and ever?
    Rev 5:13
    And every created thing which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things are in them, heard I saying, Unto him that sitteth on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be the blessing, and the honor, and the glory, and the dominion, for ever and ever.

    Rev 5:13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing:
    “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
    be praise and honor and glory and power,

    do fish sing praise ? do all animals sing praise ?do all birds in the sky sing praise ? and honor/glory and power ,

    now their is only ONE THAT SITS ON THE THRONE DOES IT ? YES IT DOES NOT SAY THAT THE LAMB IS SITTING ON IT AS WELL RIGHT ? NO

    what are you trying to show here ?

    #779478
    kerwin
    Participant

    LU,

    One of the Son’s name’s is Jehovah of hosts-the topic of this thread. Jehovah means always existent.

    Technically from what I remember no one is really sure what Jehovah or what language it originated in means through there is several hypothesis.

    Choosing to ignore that where in 1 Peter 2 do you find that the Jesus’ name is Jehovah Lord of hosts.

    #779479
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    lol LU.

    The Father who is God has given all things to the son who he made Lord and Christ.

    The term theos is applied to many. Just because Jesus is higher in authority than any other who is legitimately described as theos does not give you any special right to create a Binity or doctrine that teaches that God is two.

    Regardless, the Father is the one true God for true believers. Those who teach men to break the commandments will be called the least in the Kingdom. Others who teach people to break the commandments may not even have salvation.

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