If Jesus is divine, does that make him God?

God’s nature is divine his essence is spirit

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Divine nature pertaining to Jesus Christ and the children of God

But scripture says that we can share in God’s nature so all the more Jesus Christ who after all has a body now, that we will eventually have. It is written that we will be like him. If Jesus Christ is God because he has divine nature, then why aren’t we God by reason of participating in the same divine nature?

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Connecting the dots, most will agree that we are not God and never will we be God. So divine nature doesn’t qualify you as being God himself.

Was Jesus God or a man?

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus existing in the form of God doesn’t make him God, rather that his nature is from God. A good explanation of a son of God. We also read that Jesus emptied himself, but of what did he empty himself? Many think it was his foreknowledge and divine nature because he took on flesh or human nature and became a man being born like us. He started life as a baby, grew to a child, then an adult. We do know right now that Jesus is at the right-hand of God in the glory he had with him even before creation itself. So it seems he was with God, came to Earth in an empty state, and is back with God in the glory he had with him before the universe existed.

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Conclusion

Divine nature doesn’t make you God just as having a spirit doesn’t make you God. Yes God is divine, and He is spirit. But angels are spirits and they are not God and we can share in divine nature and we are not God. What we do know is this:

Jesus Christ existed with God before the world began as the Word. While he shared in divine nature with God, he emptied himself and became a man, even a baby who had to learn how to walk and talk like the rest of us. Providing the perfect sacrifice for our sins through his death, he is now with God at his righthand side in the glory he had with him before the world began. Now we who are in the flesh can be born of the Spirit and participate in this divine nature because Christ died for us.

We need to understand that there is a difference between being God who has divine nature and being a son who shares or inherits divine nature. Receiving the divine nature of God is a good description of being a son and chief among the sons of God is the Son of God himself. He reflects the fullness of God’s nature and glory in visible form from the invisible God.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.


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  • #798271
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    You claim to be reborn from above?

     

    In that case it should be very easy for you to discern between the human vessel Jesus and the Spirit at work and speaking from within Him.

    You should not be easily convinced by the arguments of carnal men who cannot understand things of the Spirit.

     

    Is this so?

    #798272
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Jn14.23

    “..If a man love me he will KEEP MY WORDS; and my Father will love him and we will come to him, and make our abode with him.

    He that loveth me not, KEEPETH NOT my sayings..

    But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, AND BRING TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU”

     

     

    So your SAFETY is in the scriptures, not the ideas of men.

     

    #798280
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    AGAIN – DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY CARNAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE DEITY OF CHRIST..

    CHRIST IS BOTH GOD AND MAN –

    thus in His own Being, He bridges the gap BETWEEN humanity and Divinity..

    Your doctrine is carnal as it does not save those that believe in it from their sins but is instead designed to make them feel secure while still in their sins.

    Jesus Christ came to save us from our sins.

    #798435
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi KW,

    Be baptised for the forgiveness of your sins.

    #798447
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    That is what John the Baptist taught. He also taught people “to produce fruit in keeping with their repentance”(Matthew 3:7-8)

    #798448
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    It was what Peter taught at Pentecost.

    deal to sin.

    #798449
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi KW,

    Rom 6

    For he who has died is free from sin….

    Therefore do not let sin rule in your mortal bodies that you should obey it’s lusts….

    For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

     

    Escape the law and come into the kingdom of grace where freedom lies.

    #798450
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Incorrect as John the Baptist taught the Law and the Prophets and Peter taught how to enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Peter added the words “and you will receive the promise of the Holy Spirit” and also preached to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

    #798451
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    John taught preparation for the kingdom of God by repentance

    Those who obeyed could be planted with the new seed

     

    Lk 7 29-30

     

    #798456
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Jesus teaches us that “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.” (Luke 16:16)

    So it seems John the Baptist did not teach the Law and the Prophets but instead taught people to press into the kingdom of heaven even as he was preparing them for the new covenant.

    Peter preached the new covenant.

    Note: The reason I say seems is that Jesus clearly implied that John did not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Luke 7:28)
    Note: I have difficulties knowing if the word until means the event that is transitional is included in the first division or in the second.

    #798461
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Yes John did not enter the kingdom through the door.

    He said in mt 3

    “I have need to be baptised by you, and do you come to me?’

    #799362
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Because the Son is One with the Father in His Deity (with God as God) – we as branches can partake of that divine nature..

    this doesn’t make us God – it makes us Christ-like

    we become sons through THE Son – receiving THE DIVINE NATURE OF THE SON.

    For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him..”

    DavidL, you like many have confused nature and identity.

    Eve was adam, but she was not Adam.

    Judas was devil, but he was not the Devil.

    Jesus existed in the form of God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, died, rose again, and is now back with the Father in the glory he had with him before the cosmos.

    If you can understand the difference between identity and nature, then you would not call Jesus the one true God.

    You already understand it with Adam and Eve and Judas and Satan. One more step.

    #799370
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Scripture does not say Jesus existed in the form of God.

    It says CHRIST Jesus.

    The WORD.

    #799448
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    You say I have confused nature with identity

    and by saying this you suggest that Jesus has the nature of God

    but cannot be identified as God..

    yet Scripture simply transcends your theory

    John says – He was with God…and He WAS God.

    Jesus says – “I and the Father are One.”

    Thomas said – “My Lord and my God.”

     

    If Jesus is not God (as you falsely claim) – then you have another god next to the One true God…!!

    #799449
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Indeed all who met and heard Jesus Christ met and heard the Father in him.

    Only if they were of the Spirit of course.

    #799454
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL and others;

    Scripture teaches us that Jesus Christ being in the form of God did not see being equal to God as plunder but instead humbled himself and took on the form of a servant, a servant God prophesied about by saying My Servant …” Though he posses the form of the one true God he clearly is not the one true God as he is instead the Servant of the one true God.

    #799455
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    You say Jesus is God.

     

    Thus you deny his sonship and the fatherhood of God.

    Scripture mentions those who do this.

    #799457
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    Jesus says – “I and the Father are One.”

    Why do you continue to misuse these words though you are well aware speaks of the unity of the Spirit to which God, Jesus Christ, and those that believe in them belong?

    You must overcome the obstacles the flesh throws in your way.

    #799459
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Yes John did not enter the kingdom through the door.

    He said in mt 3

    “I have need to be baptised by you, and do you come to me?’

    John said those words to Jesus before Jesus himself was immersed and the Spirit landed on the latter in the form a dove.

    #799464
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    And he was not baptised into the new covenant.

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