If Jesus is divine, does that make him God?

God’s nature is divine his essence is spirit

God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Divine nature pertaining to Jesus Christ and the children of God

But scripture says that we can share in God’s nature so all the more Jesus Christ who after all has a body now, that we will eventually have. It is written that we will be like him. If Jesus Christ is God because he has divine nature, then why aren’t we God by reason of participating in the same divine nature?

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Connecting the dots, most will agree that we are not God and never will we be God. So divine nature doesn’t qualify you as being God himself.

Was Jesus God or a man?

Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus existing in the form of God doesn’t make him God, rather that his nature is from God. A good explanation of a son of God. We also read that Jesus emptied himself, but of what did he empty himself? Many think it was his foreknowledge and divine nature because he took on flesh or human nature and became a man being born like us. He started life as a baby, grew to a child, then an adult. We do know right now that Jesus is at the right-hand of God in the glory he had with him even before creation itself. So it seems he was with God, came to Earth in an empty state, and is back with God in the glory he had with him before the universe existed.

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Conclusion

Divine nature doesn’t make you God just as having a spirit doesn’t make you God. Yes God is divine, and He is spirit. But angels are spirits and they are not God and we can share in divine nature and we are not God. What we do know is this:

Jesus Christ existed with God before the world began as the Word. While he shared in divine nature with God, he emptied himself and became a man, even a baby who had to learn how to walk and talk like the rest of us. Providing the perfect sacrifice for our sins through his death, he is now with God at his righthand side in the glory he had with him before the world began. Now we who are in the flesh can be born of the Spirit and participate in this divine nature because Christ died for us.

We need to understand that there is a difference between being God who has divine nature and being a son who shares or inherits divine nature. Receiving the divine nature of God is a good description of being a son and chief among the sons of God is the Son of God himself. He reflects the fullness of God’s nature and glory in visible form from the invisible God.

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.


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  • #791975
    bodhitharta
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    DavidL

    you said:

    ..if what you say is a true representation of the Scriptures, then you should be able to answer my original question – What apostle of Christ ever said – or could have said, “I and the Father are one.”…?

    Any apostle who understood what Jesus was saying.

    1 Corinthians 12:12
    For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.

    So if they are of the body of Christ how could any not be one with the Father if Christ is One with the Father?

    David are you one with Christ Jesus?
    David are you one with the Father?

    #791977
    DavidL
    Participant

    we can and should be united to Christ as branches in the Vine – but we are not the Vine.

    ..no man can say of himself, as our Lord did , ‘I and the Father are one.”

    Just as no man can say of himself, “Before Abraham was born, I AM.”

    This should be easy to acknowledge..

    #791979
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Do you not share in the sap of the vine?

    You are desperate to justify your human stance

    #791980
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Our unity with the Father is in Jesus.

    we are seated with him in the heavenlies.[col3]

    #791981
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Does t8 deserve your bile?

    Just for making you think about your shaky foundation?

    #791982
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    we can and should be united to Christ as branches in the Vine – but we are not the Vine.

    ..no man can say of himself, as our Lord did , ‘I and the Father are one.”

    Just as no man can say of himself, “Before Abraham was born, I AM.”

    This should be easy to acknowledge..

    Are you saying that you don’t think Moses and God were one, haven’t you heard about the heavenly praises:

    Revelation 15:3
    And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, “Great and marvelous are Thy works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Thy ways, Thou King of saints!

    Who is this Lamb?
    Is Jesus a Servant of God like here where it says Moses is a servant of God?

    Acts 3:26Revised Standard Version (RSV)

    26 God, having raised up his servant,[a] sent him to you first, to bless you in turning every one of you from your wickedness.”

    Acts 3:13
    The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

    Acts 4:30
    while thou stretchest out thy hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of thy holy servant Jesus.”

    Who is this servant Jesus? Who does he serve is these verses who does he worship?

    #791983
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

      Behold the Lamb of God

    Just answer one question: In this one sentence who is the Lamb and who is God?

    #791984
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    A thousand so called inferences do not make one fact.

    The fact is that Jesus never said God was a trinity, and never said he was God.

    Listen to him

    #791997
    DavidL
    Participant

    Who is this Lamb?

    ..every believer who acknowledges the truth of the triune nature of God knows the Lamb is Jesus Christ..

    ..the point is you people emphasize the individuality of Father, Son and Holy Spirit – but deny their unity…this is called Arianism – which originated in the third century with the heretic Arius, who likewise tried to promote his fallacious teaching with the same verse in John 17 that t8 has now adopted on this web site..

    #791998
    DavidL
    Participant

    Is Jesus a Servant of God like here where it says Moses is a servant of God?

    “but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.” – Philippians 2:7

    Yes, He is the Lamb…yes, He came as a servant – but again you miss the point, Jesus has many crowns and many titles, ALL of which I acknowledge …none of which I deny.

    #791999
    DavidL
    Participant

    Does t8 deserve your bile?

    Reproof is bitter – but it is better to taste of it’s bitterness now while there is still time to change, than to carry on in deception until it is too late..

    #792000
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Had you not better find a foundation to stand on before reproving others?

    trinity is of man, not God.

    Sand

    #792001
    Ed J
    Participant

    DavidL

    Behold the Lamb of God

    Just answer one question: In this one sentence who is the Lamb and who is God?

    Hi BD,

    John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith,
    Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

    As a Christian, DavidL believes Jesus is the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world!
    You, as a muslim DO NOT – so What are even doing trying to represent what God says when you do not?

    ____________
    Ed J

    #792005
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Have you heard the voice of the Holy Spirit in the words of Jesus yet?

    #792011
    sonofGod
    Participant

    Jesus was made in the likeness of men.

    Jesus did not make himself.

    Knowing that God designed life so that all things are after its own kind, we cannot afford to miss that truth in learning who Jesus is.

    God is spirit, John 4:24. Jesus is human. The two are not of the same kind.

    God, choosing to have a son, should have had a son that was spirit, not human.

    But he did not, His goal was to redeem mankind, therefore a human was necessary.

    God’s love for the world, John 3:16, is made even clearer when we recognize that truth.

    God had a son, God is the Father of the lord Jesus Christ and Mary is his mother.

    God had a human son. He did not exist until his conception and birth. Matthew 2:11.

    God did however foreknow and “foreplan” for a son to redeem mankind, God prepared well in advance for His son, even so much as to prepare glory for him even at the beginning.

    #792017
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi SOG,

    He was made a spiritual son by anointing with the Spirit at the jordan.

    The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God [rom8]and from that moment he was led by the Spirit. lk4.1

    #792105
    DavidL
    Participant

    sonofGod says,

    He did not exist until his conception and birth. Matthew 2:11.

     

    Scripture says,

    He was with God in the beginning. John 1:2

     

    I believe Scripture.

    #792107
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The Word was made flesh.

    Jesus was conceived=flesh.

     

    Jesus became the Christ

    #792109
    DavidL
    Participant

    He existed before His incarnation

    #792111
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The word was with God.

    The body was that of Jesus of Nazareth.

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