A message from a physicist and a message from a flat earther

Physicist

I am a physicist and it comes naturally to me that all planets are spheres mainly because of gravity.

The gravity of a planet is directly proportional to the planet’s mass and inversely proportional to the planet’s radius.

Gravity can be calculated 6.67*10^-11(planet mass/planet radius^2).

This also means that, according to Newton, the earth’s rotation does not have a particularly large effect on gravity.

The sun has the greatest gravitational force in our solar system, approx. 247N/kg or 247 m/s^2, which means that if you fall one meter on the sun, you will hit the “ground” with a speed of 247 m/s. Similarly, 1 kg on the Sun will be 247N, while on Earth 1 kg will only be 9.81N.

We have formulas to calculate the curvature of the earth, and these are very accurate.

Why do some people think the earth is flat? When all scientific findings indicate that all planets are spheres?
All scientific sources on the shape of the plates are available to anyone. Flat earth documentation is not available, logically enough because it doesn’t exist. As a physicist, I must be able to explain observations and natural phenomena through mathematics and scientific models. This is exactly what makes physics so exciting!

A model must be able to explain all phenomena and observations, you can do that on a sphere. On a flat earth it is not possible, so above all one does not use false values.

The globe rotates 360 degrees/24 hours. Our solar system is moving at 600,000m/s towards the center of the Milky Way where there is a gigantic hole with an enormous gravitational force. Since the acceleration is constant, we do not  notice any of this, so Newton’s second law is fulfilled.

If, on the other hand, the earth’s rotation increased or decreased, we would notice it because Newton’s second law will no longer be fulfilled.

I love my subject and am happy to answer questions, but do not respond to sarcasm.

– Physicist

Flat Earther

The earth is flat because I rolled a marble on a table and it disappeared bottom up. Although when I moved my head up a little to be level with the table, it didn’t do that for some reason.

I brought a small boat back into view that was too small to see, although I can’t bring the sun back for some reason.

The bible teaches the world is flat, although I cannot find one verse that teaches this.

The flat earth map is accurate and explains observation, although it doubles and triples distances in the southern hemisphere for some reason. But the southern hemisphere kind of doesn’t matter.

The globe earth conspiracy means millions are in on the secret, yet not one person has leaked the truth despite the anonymity of Wikileaks etc for some strange reason,

The flat earth is hidden from the populace because it proves that God exists. Although the scientific view proves an eternal God because the cosmos is so finely tuned for our existence, that the odds of it being random are greater than 1 in a number bigger than all the atoms of the universe. Further it does demonstrate the eternal nature of God, but it is just too big to give God the glory if you have a simple mind. The pizza model and dome on top which BTW to keeps the pizza warm and contained makes it easier to see that there is a God, although not a very impressive one.

– Flat Earther

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  • #826209
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    Lighten up.

    It is you who claims the round earth is flat.

    Yes forgive the overlap. The second verse should be Gen 1. 14-19

    LIGHT is not the same as A LUMINARY. LIght was created first and then the Luminaries.

    #826210
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Do we need to follow the creeds into their apostasy?

    #826211
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    Yes the path back from deception will likely pass through confusion.

    #826212
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Nick,

    I realize that is not your confession. It was the disciples.

    #826213
    Lightenup
    Participant

    The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.

    #826215
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Look at the arduous spiritual journey of Paul shown in Gal 1-2.

    He touched base with the other apostles after 3 years but it took 14 to get his ideas straightened out.

    Finally in Phil 3 . 7-8 he was able to see that his zealous Phariseeism was all rubbish compared with knowing Christ.

    patience.

     

    #826219
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    T8: “But the point is if you are inside the car, you essentially have the atmosphere contained and can throw the ball in the air and catch it as if you were stationary.”

     

    And what about the outside of the car or plane? Imagine an airplane flying against a 1,000 mph headwind. Now imagine an airplane flying with a 1,000 mph tailwind. Do you think there would be any difference?

    We’re not talking about the people inside the plane, we’re talking about the plane itself.

    I really don’t expect a direct answer.

     

     

     

     

    #826220
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Lightenup: “The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.”

     

     

    Sounds pretty good. Why do I feel like I’m being set up?

     

    #826221
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gravity vs air resistance

    And what about the outside of the car or plane?

    The outside of the plane or car is the outside of the earth and atmosphere is the point I think. The atmosphere is being influenced by the earth’s gravity like the air inside the car is influenced by the local conditions inside the car, not outside the car. If you stick your hand out the window, that would be like sticking a space elevator up from the Earth and outside a certain point in the atmosphere where the top of the elevator is whizzing through space or the upper end of the atmosphere at least which is being influenced less by gravity.

    1,000 mph headwind. Now imagine an airplane flying with a 1,000 mph tailwind.

    My quick answer to that for what it is worth is yes there is a difference here. Air resistance makes a difference. A tail wind means you use less fuel to go forward. I imagine a glider could gain ground for a while without spending any fuel. while a head wind requires more energy to travel the same speed. However, the latter also helps you gain height. My quick guess is that the higher you go, the less resistance as far as air pressure goes.

    I imagine that you cannot exactly compare air resistance to gravity or even magnetism if you want to think of it like that (ignoring the metallic requirement).

    Gravity provides conditions similar to throwing a ball inside a moving car vs air resistance from throwing the same ball on a moving bike.

    #826222
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    We’re not talking about the people inside the plane, we’re talking about the plane itself.

    Gravity means the plane is like the ball inside a moving car, while air resistance is the same ball on the moving bike. Yes, I imagine both play a part on the same moving plane.

    So imagine the car is the Earth and when you throw a ball in the car or the Earth it has the same effect. The fact that the car or the Earth is moving quite fast, you will not notice the effect in either. The ball doesn’t hit the back of the car, likewise, the ball or plane doesn’t suddenly move away from the Earth either.

    #826223
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    The Son was conceived and born of a woman and named Yeshua after that.

    The Word was with God and was God in the beginning.

    The Word was made flesh at the Jordan.

    It is written that God created all things through his Word and through the son of God. Your theology dates the cosmos to less than 2000 years old. Anyway, that is another topic.

    #826226
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Hi Dig4truth,

    you said:

    Lightenup: “The unformed and void heaven and earth and day and night were created on day one. Light was brought forth on day one, not created. The created lights came on day 4.”

     

    Sounds pretty good. Why do I feel like I’m being set up?

    That’s good that you are thinking. The Light was begotten on day one. The Son is the Light of the world. The Son is the Firstborn of all creation. The Son is the only begotten Son. begotten, not created…

    Are you having an ahhh haaa moment yet, Dig?

    Think about it, let the Spirit show you what He will with that.

    Be blessed, LU

    #826228
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Ahh, the son was begotten not always existing with or as God. Some of the Church fathers called this God’s first work.

    #826229
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Of course the Son was existing with God when the work of His begetting took place from God, His Father. Where else would He be but right there within Him?

    John 17:For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee

    The Firstborn of all creation! The Light of the world!

    #826230
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Jn 6.63

    It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh produces nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

    But there are some of you who do not believe.

     

    It Is all about the Spirit of God,  not so much about the human vessels

    #826231
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi LU,

    Indeed the Spirit said through Jesus.

    ’I proceeded forth and came from God’

    and

    ‘Befoe Abraham I am’

    Those unfamiliar with the Spirit speaking through the vessel attribute the words to the vessel.

    #826236
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Of course the Son was existing with God when the work of His begetting took place from God, His Father. Where else would He be but right there within Him?

    We also are born again and we were born of our parents physically. Yes, all comes from God originally though, the cosmos included. He is the Father of all spirits. Yes, he is before all things.

    Now back the Flat Earth that doesn’t exist.

    #826238
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The Southern Cross debunks the Flat Earth

    The Southern Cross appears on the flag of at least five nations including Australia and New Zealand. In New Zealand we see the Southern Cross all year round, the same is true for almost anywhere in Australia, the southern region of South America, and the southern tip of Africa. This proves a globe earth.

    Take a look at the following map and explain how the Southern Cross is visible in both Australia and South America at the same time  and yet not in North America.

    Same goes for New Zealand and Africa as well as Australia and Africa which both see the Southern Cross at the same time, yet somehow not Europe or the Middle East even though they lie directly between.

    Explain that using the Flat Earth model. The globe earth doesn’t need to explain it as it is apparent.  I have the feeling that Flat Earthers are mostly from the Northern Hemisphere and perhaps have little understanding what the world is like below the equator.

    Flat Earth

    #826240
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    T8: Gravity vs air resistance

    And what about the outside of the car or plane? The outside of the plane or car is the outside of the earth and atmosphere is the point I think. The atmosphere is being influenced by the earth’s gravity like the air inside the car is influenced by the local conditions inside the car, not outside the car. If you stick your hand out the window, that would be like sticking a space elevator up from the Earth and outside a certain point in the atmosphere where the top of the elevator is whizzing through space or the upper end of the atmosphere at least which is being influenced less by gravity.

    1,000 mph headwind. Now imagine an airplane flying with a 1,000 mph tailwind. My quick answer to that for what it is worth is yes there is a difference here. Air resistance makes a difference. A tail wind means you use less fuel to go forward. I imagine a glider could gain ground for a while without spending any fuel. while a head wind requires more energy to travel the same speed. However, the latter also helps you gain height. My quick guess is that the higher you go, the less resistance as far as air pressure goes. I imagine that you cannot exactly compare air resistance to gravity or even magnetism if you want to think of it like that (ignoring the metallic requirement). Gravity provides the conditions similar to throwing a ball inside a moving car vs air resistance which is like throwing the same ball on a moving bike.”

    I would have to say that the inside of the plane or car is NOT like the outside of the plane or car. The outside of the plane or car (demonstrated by placing your hand outside the window when going at high speed – (don’t try this on a plane) is not what’s going on inside the car or plane. These are inclosed spaces. The earth is not.

    A headwind vs a tailwind are opposites. To suggest that they have no influence on the flight of a plane is not reasonable. (Influences on the outside of an object.)

    If the earth is rotating, whether the atmosphere is moving with it or not, that motion would necessarily produce a different outcome from two planes flying in opposition or with the “rotation”. Near the equator it would be a huge difference!

    Think of the assumptions you are making solely based on scientism and not empirical evidence. Empirical evidence has shown that the earth is not rotating. (see Michelson-Morely experiment, Airey’s failure, The Sagnac experiment, etc.) In fact Einstein had to invent some “scientism” to discount these empherical tests to save Copernicus’ theory. That’s an historical fact.

     

     

    #826242
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I would have to say that the inside of the plane or car is NOT like the outside of the plane or car. The outside of the plane or car (demonstrated by placing your hand outside the window when going at high speed – (don’t try this on a plane) is not what’s going on inside the car or plane. These are inclosed spaces. The earth is not.

    Imagine the car is 100 km in length and travelling at a speed of 100 km/h. Inside this car is a 100 km road and you are sitting in a normal size car on that road inside the big car. You are driving the normal size car at 50 km/h, so does your speedometer read 50 km/h or 150 km/h? It reads 50 km/h and the ball you are throwing up and down inside your normal size car feels as if it is stationary. However, you wind the window down and you see the car is experiencing air resistance. But do you notice that the bigger car is also moving at 100 km/h? No you don’t. Unless you decide to vacate your smaller car and go to the window in the big 100km car and stick you hand out.

    And yes, the earth is enclosed in an atmosphere relative to space outside of it. Perhaps that is the firmament.

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