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The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father

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The Trinity Doctrine is so preposterous that it contradicts the most basic and simple truths in scripture and causes much confusion and unnecessary division.

For example, the Holy Spirit came to Mary instead of Mary’s husband Joseph. Thus is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, or is the Father? Explain that one with the confusing dogma of the Trinity.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and is not another person, nor an equal partner of a triune God.

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  • April 16, 2015 at 1:53 pm#794312
    NickHassan
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    Hi BD,

    God created all by His Spirit[ps 104] the same Eternal Spirit as is in Jesus Christ.

    So that is why scripture says creation came through him.

     

    But he is not the Creator as you say.

    April 16, 2015 at 1:59 pm#794313
    kerwin
    Participant

    Budhitharta,

    Who is the firstborn of God?

    Whomever God says is!

    April 16, 2015 at 2:07 pm#794314
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    Trinitarians always engage in confusion as their teaching is broken as well as false.

    The argument Nick quoted is true but it does not prove that is what the words “firstborn of creation” mean. Since it uses the title Son it may be talking about God’s Spirit in the same way Proverbs speaks about Wisdom.

    If it is then the correct interpretation of that verse is the one Nick insists is correct.

    I do not know if Paul speaks in that manner though it did seem Jesus did at times.

    April 16, 2015 at 2:11 pm#794315
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    It is sad that in your critical approach to the word of God you find only confusion.

    That then you try to influence others to be confused as well.

     

    We love the Word and read it as truth to clarify our knowledge and reduce our ignorance.

    Try it

    April 16, 2015 at 3:43 pm#794328
    Ed J
    Participant

    Allah Hu Akbar

    Look it up in Hebrew or Arabic it is beautiful to understand the blessing

    Hi BD,

    hu-akbar means ‘is greatest’ or ‘is greater’

    the god of islam is not greater than YHVH – do you agree, “yes” or “no”?

    Please no speeches, yes or no?

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    April 16, 2015 at 3:59 pm#794329
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    Churchianity is total confusion.

    Discern the Body Of Christ

    Hi Nick,

    Jesus said: Ye cannot see the kingdom of God without being born again.
    How can he do that without first being born of the spirit?

    And how can he be born of the spirit without the passover lamb’s blood? …he cannot.

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    April 16, 2015 at 4:08 pm#794331
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    This is from another site .

    perhaps it will help.

    “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.”—Colossians 1:15–16

    In his letter to the Colossians, Paul calls Jesus Christ the “firstborn over all creation” (Col. 1:15). How can Christ be both the eternal Creator of all things and yet Himself be the firstborn?

    First, in referring to Christ as the firstborn, Paul has in mind preeminence. This usage is firmly established in the Old Testament. For example, Ephraim is referred to as the Lord’s “firstborn” (Jer. 31:9) even though Manasseh was born first (Gen. 41:51). Likewise, David is appointed the Lord’s “firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth” (Ps. 89:27), despite being the youngest of Jesse’s sons (1 Sam. 16:10‐13). While neither Ephraim nor David was the first one born, they were firstborn in the sense of preeminence or “prime position.”

    Hi Nick and BD,

    Jesus is our anointed Leader, that is why one is anointed. (see 1Sam.15:1)

    “Samuel also said unto Saul,
    The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel:” (1Sam.15:1)

    To the muslim, Muhammad is their messiah(leader) instead of Jesus Christ.

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    April 16, 2015 at 4:19 pm#794334
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    God has not given up on BD so hopefully there is a way.

    April 18, 2015 at 7:01 am#794500
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    One God three persons basically says:

    God the Father
    God the Son
    God the Holy Spirit
    &
    The Father of God
    The Son of God
    The Spirit of God.

    Why is the Father not the Father of God if all members are God and co-equal? You cannot explain it can you?

    Clearly the reality is the Father is NOT the Father of God because he is not OF God

     

    You use logic to deny..

    what logic can’t define..

    So – How logical is that…??

     

    Think about it – if you dare…!!

     

    Do you want to understand – or have you already taken your seat among the scornful…?

    The Bible says, “A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.”

     

    Why is the Father not the Father of God..?

    because that would make two gods…

    which is denied outright by the same Catholic creed you posted..!!

     

    Jesus said – “I and the Father are ONE.”

    not only does this reveal the true Deity of the Son..

    but also confirms the truth of all the verses you dismiss by your teaching..

     

    and before you say we can all one in the Spirit – remember that…

    What Jesus said here is something that no other human being, no matter how great or how spiritual, could ever, EVER.. claim to say…”I and the Father are One.”

    April 18, 2015 at 7:05 am#794503
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Scripture does not say it and logic cannot define it

    yet you want us to believe it because you do?

    April 18, 2015 at 7:06 am#794504
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Have you not gained the promise Jesus made of us becoming one with the Father as he is?

    Do you deny his words as well?

    April 18, 2015 at 7:14 am#794506
    kerwin
    Participant

    David,

    Quote one passage of Scripture that condemns logic. I know you cannot because there is not any. You are just repeating the teaching of human beings. This is what you doing in other areas as well. You say you believe Scripture but your actions tell me otherwise.

    Here is an example of a logical argument:

    John 10:34-36Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

    The one who used the argument is Jesus and he is clearly not against the Writings being testes by logic as he states they cannot be broken. Your chosen doctrine is broken and so those teach it, unlike Jesus, are opposed to having it tested by logical reasoning. They are not doing as Jesus does or they would use logical arguments to make their point whenever doing so is appropriate.

    The teaching of that Jesus is God is opposed to Scripture which teach us he is a human being. The teaching that calls Jesus God blasphemes the name of God as it claims there are circumstances where God can be tempted by evil. You can claim that the teaching Jesus is God is valid and true because it cannot be tested by logical reasoning but the bottom line is that Scripture cannot be broken. I believe it cannot be broken but do you?

    April 18, 2015 at 7:18 am#794508
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Scripture tests scripture

    2Cor 13.1

    Logic is used with natural men who are unable to understand Spiritual words.

    To the greeks I become as a greek

    April 18, 2015 at 7:22 am#794509
    DavidL
    Participant

    Hi Nick..

    ..why is it that little dogs always seem to yap the most…?

    maybe they feel they have some deficiency to make up for…??

    ..making up in noise – what they lack in substance…?!?

     

    So I must wonder – is there any substance to all this yapping you make…?!

    April 18, 2015 at 7:43 am#794512
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Then tell us the substance in this trinity idea.

    Is it written?

    Who invented it?

    April 18, 2015 at 8:18 am#794516
    DavidL
    Participant

    I have shared many verses with you concerning the trinity

    but, as you continually prove – you are blinded by your own bias..

    so..the best I can do is offer you your very own words…

    Do you not yet know the Father and the Son

    in the One Holy Spirit?

    By your own words you profess the very thing you claim to deny…!!

     

    (then also deny the confusion within Christianity – when it’s actually people like yourself who have created it)

     

    April 18, 2015 at 8:32 am#794518
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Allah Hu Akbar

    Look it up in Hebrew or Arabic it is beautiful to understand the blessing

    Hi BD,

    hu-akbar means ‘is greatest’ or ‘is greater’

    the god of islam is not greater than YHVH – do you agree, “yes” or “no”?

    Please no speeches, yes or no?

    GOD is GOD

    April 18, 2015 at 8:43 am#794520
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    HI EDJ

    Hi Nick,

    Jesus said: Ye cannot see the kingdom of God without being born again.
    How can he do that without first being born of the spirit?

    And how can he be born of the spirit without the passover lamb’s blood? …he cannot.

    You don’t know what the Passover is? This commemorates the miracle which spared the firstborn Jewish sons from the plague which struck down the firstborn sons of the Egyptians.

    Do you not understand the SCRIPTURES Jesus is the firstborn he cannot be killed or Crucified he is the Lamb of God that takes away sins, He is the SCAPEGOAT. Death Passed Jesus Christ over, you don’t understand the GREATNESS of GOD look in the scriptures find the real story of Jesus there. See how Abrahams child was spared from sacrifice and a substitute was found in the bushes….see the law and how all the firstborn sons are redeemed…you haven’t really read the scriptures you don’t understand THE REAL…..See the story of Jonah and how the people repented because of his preaching…you think you have studied well so have I for over 40 years and not here and there but almost daily…I know what’s in the book you say you love and I know how you conceal what you don’t like.

    April 18, 2015 at 8:44 am#794521
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    @DavidL

    Do you believe in the father of God?

    April 18, 2015 at 9:04 am#794526
    kerwin
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Scripture tests scripture

    2Cor 13.1

    Logic is used with natural men who are unable to understand Spiritual words.

    To the greeks I become as a greek

    Yes, 2 or 3 witnesses are needed to establish a fact. Jesus only used one but he could have used others as well.

    Logical reasoning is a tool that can be used by angels or devils. It has limits. When used correctly it can tell you if an argument is sound or valid but it cannot tell you whether or not it is true. If you put garbage in then you will get garbage out. That is why the Spirit is needed.

    Logic is not condemned in Scripture though philosophy based on the principles of the flesh is condemned. Godless wisdom is also condemned.

    Godless men condemn what God does not condemn.

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