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The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father

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The Trinity Doctrine is so preposterous that it contradicts the most basic and simple truths in scripture and causes much confusion and unnecessary division.

For example, the Holy Spirit came to Mary instead of Mary’s husband Joseph. Thus is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, or is the Father? Explain that one with the confusing dogma of the Trinity.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and is not another person, nor an equal partner of a triune God.

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  • April 5, 2015 at 9:21 am#792765
    DavidL
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    So if Jesus and God are one in the sense that you have said like Husband and wife, the wife wouldn’t be the husband or the Husband the wife, right? So God wouldn’t be Jesus or Jesus wouldn’t be God…do you see it that way. Becoming 1 in unity doesn’t alter the identity or number of individual beings

    If you can compare the unity in which Scripture describes marriage, with the oneness of the trinity, then there shouldn’t be any confusion – Jesus is not the Father or the Spirit, yet the fact that He is One with the Father means He shares the Deity of God.

    Genesis 11

    6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

    what does this mean to you?

    I would say it speaks about unity of purpose…

    April 5, 2015 at 9:28 am#792766
    DavidL
    Participant

    psst davidl,

    There is no trinity.

    Yet you make it your foundation

    pssst NickHassan

    You apply your own understanding to the sacred words.

    It satisfies your mind but is far from a spiritual view.

     

    Trust not in your own understanding

    April 5, 2015 at 9:42 am#792768
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    So have you heard the voice of the Spirit in the mouth of Jesus yet?

    Did you ever hear the Spirit in the prophets?

     

    This is not so much about men, though they are glorious vessels, but about the work of God in them.

    acts 2.22

    April 5, 2015 at 10:30 am#792772
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi DavidL you wrote

    If you can compare the unity in which Scripture describes marriage, with the oneness of the trinity, then there shouldn’t be any confusion – Jesus is not the Father or the Spirit, yet the fact that He is One with the Father means He shares the Deity of God.

    Okay, so far so good, now if Jesus says “My God” and depending on “God” how are you coming to the conclusion that Jesus is God? Are you of the belief that there is no such Sovereign being that is God all by Himself.

    If that is not clear I guess I am asking, is there a God exclusively without Jesus, that Jesus knows to be the only true God?

    April 5, 2015 at 10:51 am#792775
    DavidL
    Participant

    This is for you bodhitharta

    God Bless you

     

     

    April 5, 2015 at 11:10 am#792779
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Take care with personal revelations.

    Col 2, 2 peter 1.20

    April 5, 2015 at 12:16 pm#792783
    DavidL
    Participant

    Okay, so far so good, now if Jesus says “My God” and depending on “God” how are you coming to the conclusion that Jesus is God?

    …”I and the Father are one…”  – Two separate Beings… the Father is head over Christ (Christ’s God) – yet they are one..

    the Word was with God – and the Word was God..

    if you have seen Me – you have seen the Father..

    They are two – they are one..

     

    magic.. or revelation..!?

     

    April 5, 2015 at 12:59 pm#792785
    princess
    Participant

    pssst David,

    this is just a little knock on the door for you. ancient faiths are all triad based. it has been the fashion of the ages. I’m taking it (origin) they couldn’t decide which element of the world had the most power. Christianity did not skip out on the trend.

    study the history of triad beliefs. but if you it makes you feel better that you take three elements and combine them in one, then it is nothing new under the sun.

     

     

     

    April 5, 2015 at 1:23 pm#792786
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Yes and in the same way the Father and the Son are one Jesus prayed we could enter into the same unity.

    Of course it would never make us God.

    Your dogma would say it would.

    April 5, 2015 at 1:26 pm#792788
    DavidL
    Participant

    pssst princess,

    study the history of triad beliefs.

    this is just a little knock on the door for you…. better to read the inspired Word of God for yourself – than base your beliefs on the second hand studies of people who are not led by the Spirit of God..

    April 5, 2015 at 1:42 pm#792790
    DavidL
    Participant

    NickHassan

    Of course it would never make us God.

    agreed – only Christ is one with the Father..

    (unless you’ve finally thought of someone else who could say the things He said)..

     

    Take care with personal revelations.

    Col 2, 2 peter 1.20

    Rev. 12:11 – ‘They triumphed over him [Satan] by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony.”

    April 5, 2015 at 2:04 pm#792792
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl.

    You may imagine you are bravely contending against Satan here

    but you are charging at windmills.

     

    We defend the veracity of the Word of God but you are defending the manmade derivations,

    Jn17.21

    ” That they all may be one, as thou Father art in me, and I in thee, that they may also be one in us..”

    Listen to him

    April 5, 2015 at 2:06 pm#792793
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Do you think the word of their testimony was about a catholic trinity?

    April 5, 2015 at 2:08 pm#792794
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Does the Spirit of God inspire men to promote what is not written?

    April 5, 2015 at 2:27 pm#792800
    DavidL
    Participant

    don’t deceive yourself…

    I know you try to sound like you know what you’re talking about..

    but you’re actually accusing others of what you yourself are doing – promoting the uninspired teachings of men..!!

     

    if you profess to believe what is promoted as truth on this site – then you’re more deluded than the Catholics…

    April 5, 2015 at 2:29 pm#792801
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Is the bible not inspired?

    April 5, 2015 at 2:31 pm#792802
    DavidL
    Participant

    you’re not inspired.. you need the Spirit of God – you must be born again..!

    April 5, 2015 at 2:31 pm#792803
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    No I do not support most of those who share here.

    I do not accept the words of nonchristians or idolaters.

    But there are flashes of light in the gloom but not from you.

     

    April 5, 2015 at 2:33 pm#792804
    princess
    Participant

    you know David just because the belief in your three gods isn’t the first of it’s kind no reason to be hostile. and David, Christianity is a second hand religion, Judaism was first. I may not be the one that needs the refresher course. Just saying.

    but like I said if it makes you warm and fuzzy inside to have three gods then alright, your going to have some not believe you, me being one and calling you out on it.

    if needed we could simply start with Brahma.

    knock louder David, I can’t hear you.

    April 5, 2015 at 2:36 pm#792805
    DavidL
    Participant

    hostile…?

    I was just responding in the same fashion as you addressed me – let you see how conceited you sound..

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