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The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father

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The Trinity Doctrine is so preposterous that it contradicts the most basic and simple truths in scripture and causes much confusion and unnecessary division.

For example, the Holy Spirit came to Mary instead of Mary’s husband Joseph. Thus is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, or is the Father? Explain that one with the confusing dogma of the Trinity.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and is not another person, nor an equal partner of a triune God.

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  • March 24, 2015 at 7:03 am#791502
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Is the wide road of catholic dogma the safe one?

    Man made dogmas are anathema.

    March 24, 2015 at 7:05 am#791503
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Is it the fear of falling into error that keeps you bound in deception?

    March 24, 2015 at 7:08 am#791504
    DavidL
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    is God somehow confused about what he wants?

     

    No – the confusion is always the result of logic…

     

    Consider that we are tying to define the Being that created us..

     

    The only example I could give in human terms is the husband and wife – they are equal, yet one is head over the other..

     

    They are two, but they are one…

     

    In the end it is only the Spirit that can and will reveal it to you.. ask Him.

    March 24, 2015 at 7:25 am#791505
    DavidL
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    the one thing we do have in common is in believing in Hell.

     

    Yes – terrifying as it is, eternal torment is what I believe the Spirit reveals about hell, while the concept of annihilation is man’s teaching, based on human reasoning..

     

    …but this is also why I reject the anti-trinity teaching on this site – it is based on human reasoning; man’s interpretation of Scripture, and NOT what is revealed by the Spirit..

    March 24, 2015 at 8:23 am#791508
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Where does the Spirit teach in scripture about a trinity.

    Or do you listen to another spirit?

    March 24, 2015 at 8:26 am#791509
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    It is wasted time trying to DEFINE God and His Son when you can know them and fellowship with them[2jn9]

    Theologians do that silly stuff.

    March 24, 2015 at 8:32 am#791510
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ[1jn1.3]

    That fellowship is in the one Spirit.

     

    But you think it is better to DEFINE them from afar?

    March 24, 2015 at 8:35 am#791512
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    ‘While the term “Trinity” is man-made – yet the divine nature of the Son and the Holy Spirit (which is the essential element of the trinity) cannot be denied if one reads Scripture WITHOUT the confusion of man-made teaching”

    ummm

    March 24, 2015 at 8:39 am#791513
    kerwin
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    DavidL,

    …but this is also why I reject the anti-trinity teaching on this site – it is based on human reasoning; man’s interpretation of Scripture, and NOT what is revealed by the Spirit..

    That is not scriptural. It is taught by ignorant and corrupt human beings that find Scripture hard to understand but instead of listening to the Spirit of God, listen to the thoughts of their flesh and so interpret it according to their sinful desires.

    You will not find one place where Scripture condemns the reason of humanity for if God condemned it then he would not challenge humans to reason with him. He clearly wants us to reason even as Paul reasoned with those in the marketplace and the synagogue. Why do you continue to condemn what God approves. In choosing to condemn “human reasoning” you are embracing a philosophy based on the principle of man and not of God.

    Put off the false teachings you have been taught and seek the truth. Use human reasoning based on the principles of God and not on the principles of the humanity.

    March 24, 2015 at 8:53 am#791514
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    I believe that the wicked are tormented for ages and ages and then at then end of that sentence they are destroyed. I do not hold that ages and ages is a synonym for eternal as some do. I instead embrace a variation of a Jewish teaching that explains the facts as they are written in Scripture.

    The teachings of the church has been twisted by those who long ago embraced the principles of antisemitism and adhered to by those who do not test them to see if they are consistent with the message that is among the Jews. They are teachings that come from the minds of men and not the Spirit.

    The Jewish error is that they deny that Jesus is the Messiah, whom we call the Christ. Other than that there are false teachings among those that say they adhere to the Jewish religion as well as those that claim to adhere to the Jewish teachings of Christ.

    March 24, 2015 at 9:10 am#791518
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    You must be transformed by the renewal of your mind.

    Reliance on natural reasoning is fallacious.

    March 24, 2015 at 10:09 am#791519
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @DavidL

    Look at the Jehovah’s Witnesses as an example – in one sense they acknowledge Christ, that He died for our sins etc, but in fact they actually deny Christ by denying His divinity – they reject the revelation of the Son that is given in Scripture by the Spirit… and have written their own Bible to suit their man-made teaching…

    That premise is not what makes the Trinity a false doctrine. Jesus existed in the form of God and emptied himself and came in the flesh. Divinity is about nature not identity.

    The Trinity IDENTIFIES 3 unique persons into one God being. Whereas, scripture is clear that only the Father is the one true God. This does not take away from Christ’s nature one bit.

    For example, Adam is both Adam in identity and he is adam which is the Hebrew word for man. But Eve is only adam, but she is not Adam. If you can see what I am saying here, then you can see that just as I do not deny that Eve is adam, I do deny that she is Adam. Likewise with the son of God. He is not God in identity, but yes he existed in the FORM of God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, died for our sins, rose from the dead, and was taken up to the right-hand of God in the glory that he had with God before the Cosmos.

    If you understand the difference between identity and nature, then you do not have to say (about me at least) that I deny any divinity. I am simply teaching that there is one God the Father, so yes in that statement lies the fact that Jesus is not that God, rather he is that God’s son.

    March 24, 2015 at 10:40 am#791522
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    CHRIST Jesus existed in the form of God.

    Without the anointing Jesus was  just a man like us.

    March 24, 2015 at 11:25 am#791523
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Note the verse begins with.

    “Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus..”

    We also should share that anointing from above.

    March 24, 2015 at 12:22 pm#791524
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Phil 2 is written in spiritual language designed to cause those bound by human intellect to stumble.

    March 24, 2015 at 2:57 pm#791525
    DavidL
    Participant

    @t8

     

    We are talking about identity – who Jesus truly is…(not just His nature).

    But your judgement of Scripture is based on intellect rather than true discernment… yes, you try and take your idea of Jesus a step further toward the divine, than what the JW’s have given Him, but still you fall short of the reality..

    Consider this – how could it be possible for someone of basic intelligence… not understanding Greek or Hebrew or even English grammar (like fishermen say), to know who Jesus is..?

    You see, we actually don’t need theology… in fact it is this human reasoning that actually confounds the clear revelation of Scripture – and deceives us…!

    You say that Scripture is clear, that only the Father is the one true God…but this simply is not true, and is in fact the very reason why you are forced to alter key verses of the Bible so as to fit your teaching…(and, to explain away other texts that are a direct reference to His identity as God)…!

    Yes, He is the Son, just as He is Lord – yet He is God..! which is rejected by you because, just like the religious leaders of old, you have formed your own teachings.. and, spiritual truth can never be contained within the doctrines of men – God cannot be comprehended by logical explanations…it is simply given of the Spirit to those who receive His Word as Truth…

    It is the only way – Spiritual revelation is the rock upon which true faith is founded.

    March 24, 2015 at 3:04 pm#791526
    DavidL
    Participant

    NickHassan..

    Without the anointing Jesus was just a man like us.

     

    ..even though His biological father was God..?

    March 24, 2015 at 3:40 pm#791535
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    God was the father of Adam too.

    Another ordinary man.

    March 24, 2015 at 3:50 pm#791544
    DavidL
    Participant

    ..are you sure about that – not your own reasoning is it…?

    March 24, 2015 at 4:25 pm#791548
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl

    Scripture says so

    lk 3.38

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