The evidence of God is faith

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is personal. When I was an Atheist, I asked God to prove himself to me and that he did. I wouldn’t consider this proof for anyone but myself and that is why it is my faith. I cannot give anyone my faith. They have to seek God for themselves if they want faith in God.

That said, there are things that do prove the existence of God because he is self-evident. But as to who that God is, only those who seek God can know him. All else is religion that men practice as a way to get to know this God. But unless you seek God for yourself, and as long as your connection with God is exclusively through a religious organisation or another person, then that is as long as you have not found God.

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February 17, 2016 at 12:45 pm#809079
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Do we need to prove to you that Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with the Holy Spirit and power and went about doing good?
scripture says that
February 17, 2016 at 4:21 pm#809092
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No you do not need to prove it to me. Do I need to prove to you that I have never denied this or said anything that denies this? I have just given scripture, if that appears to you to deny it, then you need to find the truth in how all these scriptures paint the truth together. Just pray about it. God is good.
Can I ask that we leave this topic on the subject of the opening post? I am trying to get the topic about Jesus being the Christ all into the same topic or at least into topics that relate to that subject.
I would appreciate that.
February 17, 2016 at 4:46 pm#809100
NickHassan
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Hi ,
In the final washup God will be in all.
Now is the time to join the winning team.
February 17, 2016 at 4:59 pm#809105
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Yes now is the time Nick. Go for it.
February 17, 2016 at 5:17 pm#809110
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Yes wanting to follow him but getting anointed prior to birth has me stumped.
February 17, 2016 at 5:32 pm#809118
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Nick, feel free to start up a topic called “Nick is stumped’. This one is called ‘Where is God exactly?’
🙂
February 17, 2016 at 5:36 pm#809119
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
So have you figured out a way we can follow him in this?
Sounds a bit like what Nicodemus asked.
February 17, 2016 at 5:46 pm#809123
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In what? In seeking to know more about God such as this topic? Or do you refer to something else?
February 17, 2016 at 5:48 pm#809124
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
He said follow me.
Either we are all failures or you have read it wrong.
February 17, 2016 at 5:50 pm#809127
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Nick please stay on topic. Cheers. Do not let anger lead you to break the rules. You can do it.
February 17, 2016 at 5:58 pm#809132
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Anger?
What is there to be angry about?
Another dart misses the mark.
February 17, 2016 at 6:10 pm#809136
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Good. It just looked like you were having a meltdown. So you act like this normally then?
Go on have a laugh. Lighten up a bit mate.
Anyway back to the topic.
June 18, 2016 at 12:10 pm#815019
hoghead1
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I like to think of the universe as the body of God. God is omnipresent throughout creation, just as I am omnipresent throughout my whole body. I view Gpod as eternally creative, so I don’t think there was some sort of timeless, spaceless before this universe into being. I think there was another, different one, and so on, ad infinitum into the past and future. Furthermore, I think that timelessness and spacelessness are meaningless concepts. We have no such experiences. All our experiences entail time and space.
June 26, 2016 at 11:42 am#815189
AndrewAD
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Where is God exactly? He lives in the heart/mind of the believer. For now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen.
June 26, 2016 at 1:05 pm#815192
hoghead1
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I think that is a very telling point, Andrew. God is omnipresent in the richest and fullest sense of the term. As Meister Eckhart, once said, “God is more in things than they are in themselves.” I think it of vital important for Christians to remind themselves of this fact. Too often, God’s radical transcendence has been identified with God’s aloofness from creation.
June 26, 2016 at 1:30 pm#815196
942767
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Hi AndrewAD:
You ask:
Where is God exactly? He lives in the heart/mind of the believer. For now faith is the substance of things hoped for,the evidence of things not seen.
God is a living person whose throne is in heaven, but He is everywhere in his creation by His Spirit. He dwells in every born again believer by His Spirit.
In February 1980, although I was a member of a Southern Baptist church, and although I had been taught about God since my youth, I had become an agnostic, but when my wife was going to leave me and take my eight year old son with her, I prayed “Lord if you are there, I don’t want to lose my family but nevertheless not my will but yours be done. God revealed to me through the baptism of the Holy Spirit that He is a reality and that the testimony regarding His Son is true. Before that time, I did not have a personal relationship with God, and I did not because I had not repented. I was a sinner. Since I have received the Holy Spirit, I have repented, and have striven to obey the Word of God. He has spoken to me in various ways since that time, dreams, visions, through His Word, and even in an audible voice. As my heavenly Father, He has corrected me many a time, just as any Father who loves his children would do. When we are practicing sin, we are dead or separated from God. When we come to God with a repentant heart believing the gospel, we are raised from being dead, and separated from God to a personal relationship with Him.
I believe that the following scripture describes this process:
Romans 8:
⁹But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
¹⁰And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
¹¹But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
¹²Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
¹³For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
¹⁴For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
So, you should see God through His creation, the whole heavens and the earth and its host, and you should see God made manifest through the life Jesus as he obeyed God even unto death on the cross, and through the life of every born again believer as they learn to obey God’s Word in their daily life.
I will give one other scripture:
1 John 5:
⁹If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
¹⁰He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
¹¹And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
I hope this is helpful relative to your question.
Love in Christ,
Marty
June 26, 2016 at 2:13 pm#815200
AndrewAD
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Oh thanks for the testimony Marty for we are saved by the word of God and the word of our testimony. And take note to one of the verses you quote that he that believes has the witness in himself which as I quoted is that evidence of things not seen.
June 27, 2016 at 7:50 am#815228
942767
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Hi AndrewAD:
^{Oh thanks for the testimony Marty for we are saved by the word of God and the word of our testimony. And take note to one of the verses you quote that he that believes has the witness in himself which as I quoted is that evidence of things not seen.}
As born again believers, the witness in ourselves, that God is a reality and that the testimony regarding His giving His Son is true, is the Holy Spirit dwelling within us. I am not sure that I understand how you mean this to be evidence of things unseen. I guess that it can be that to us who are born again, but in addition, we walk by faith and not by sight awaiting the promises that God has made to us as His children,
Love in Christ,
Marty
June 27, 2016 at 12:48 pm#815236
hoghead1
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In teh Christian mystical tradition, Marty, “things unseen” refers to the fact that God is encountered on a level of awareness or consciousness deep beneath thought, sense, or the more specialized forms of conscious knowing.
June 28, 2016 at 1:06 pm#815286
AndrewAD
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Marty,
You say God is a living person who lives in heaven and everywhere in his creation and in every born again believer. Of course i understand this is what our faith teaches us. But why is it our faith ? is it not because we believe it-walk by faith and not by sight. Is there evidence/ proof God has a throne in heaven or that Jesus was his special son? that’s why faith is our evidence and the witness is within ourselves.Even if you say you’ve had visions and heard voices it’s personal to you for not everyone has had these things,so it’s still by faith and that is your evidence.
If God and Jesus were to come down and show themselves to the whole world then there would be no need to have faith in things not seen.
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