Is Jesus one of us or is he God?

Let’s be clear. Scripture explicitly states that Jesus is the son of God and we are sons of God. Jesus even calls us brothers because we are part of the same family as him. God never calls us brothers. To him we are his children. This doesn’t sound like Jesus is God does it?

What does scripture say about who Jesus is. Let’s take a look.

Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Clearly then, we are the same kind of being as Jesus.

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.

So both Jesus and us are sons and children of God. We are never brothers to God and God and Jesus are not brothers either. It is written that we will even have the same glorious body as he does.

who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

When we are born from above, we are given a new nature, that is divine nature.

by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature

If not divine nature, then we would still be of the flesh and die in our sins. Instead, we are born again, but we currently remain in a state of flux awaiting our resurrection bodies which will put us at rest and always toward the divine and without sin. Currently we live by divine nature and at other times the flesh nature.

So yes, we know that Jesus was begotten of the Father. So what do you suppose our new birth is?

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come”

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

See. We too are begotten of God.

The difference between redeemed people and Jesus is this. He is the prototype son.

So he is not God as many propose, just as we are not God, even if we have divine nature.

Jesus is the firstborn son among many sons. This is what the Bible teaches.

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May 9, 2015 at 1:08 pm#796898
AndrewAD
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And that word was with God and was God or was it what God was the word was?
May 9, 2015 at 2:12 pm#796900
DavidL
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DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY CARNAL ARGUMENTS THAT DENY THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST..
“See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority.” – Colossians 2:9,10
“Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?” – Galatians 3:3
“The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.” – 1 Corinthians 2:14
“No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.” – 1 John 2:24
“For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.” – 1 Timothy 1:7
“But evil men and impostors will proceed from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” – 2 Timothy 3:13,14
“Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge.” – 1 Timothy 6:20
“..hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception..” – Titus 1:9
COME BACK TO THE PURE WORD OF GOD..

May 9, 2015 at 2:29 pm#796901
NickHassan
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Hi davidh,
So the fullness of Deity was in Jesus.
I agree.

A wonderful vessel for God to use for His purposes.
The flesh contributes nothing.

So leave the folly of trinity behind.
May 9, 2015 at 3:18 pm#796907
DavidL
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So the fullness of Deity was in Jesus.
I agree.
don’t deceive yourself..
the fullness of Deity IS in Jesus.. Who IS the Head over all rule and authority..!!

You deny the Son – therefore you have not the Father..
give up your useless arguments.
May 9, 2015 at 11:17 pm#796926
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
It seems you are the one into self deception.
IN Jesus means just that.

And I do not deny the son of God.
Perhaps you do when you elevate him to be his own god?

May 9, 2015 at 11:42 pm#796927
Proclaimer
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don’t deceive yourself..
the fullness of Deity IS in Jesus.. Who IS the Head over all rule and authority..!!
You deny the Son – therefore you have not the Father..
give up your useless arguments.
Who is closer to the one denying the son?
1) The one who says he is God
2) The one who says he is OF God, the IMAGE of God, the Firstborn of all creation
?
May 10, 2015 at 12:40 am#796928
Proclaimer
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@DavidL
If you are a son of God, then if you told me you were God, then you would not by your definition be a son of God right.
Its the same simple truth with Jesus Christ. He is the son of God, so therefore he is not God, but his son.
He is the one that God made both Lord and Christ.
How about confessing that now. All will do that eventually. The earlier the better.
May 10, 2015 at 12:51 am#796929
Proclaimer
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@DavidL
Jesus as the son of the living God and the messiah is a sure foundational truth that you can build your faith upon.
But if you build upon another foundation, your works will fall when that foundation falls and all foundations not of God will crumble.
Trust in the words of Peter when he said, “You are the son of the Living God and the Messiah”. Do not trust the philosophers who came up with doctrines outside of what is called, ‘Simplicity in Christ’. They will lead you astray with vain imaginations and so-called intellectual thought. They have become fools in God’s sight.
You are simply required to believe and know the Jesus who is the son of God and the messiah and his Father and God who is our Father and God. It is not hard. Do not complicate things. That leads to error. Keep it simple and keep it scriptural.
May 10, 2015 at 12:59 am#796930
Proclaimer
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@AndrewAD
On the subject of who and what Christ Jesus is we can read it for ourselves. Many will deny this when you repeat it, but it is a scriptural truth about Jesus Christ. You can’t go wrong by accepting what is written below.
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Many are the excuses for denying this.
May 10, 2015 at 6:54 am#796948
NickHassan
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hi davidl,
Scripture repeats the concept of God being IN Christ.

God was IN CHRIST reconciling the world to himself. 2cor 5.19
So does that make Christ GOD?

Again
God is at work IN YOU to will and to do.[phil 2.13]
Does that make YOU GOD?

It was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to DWELL IN HIM and through him to reconcile all things to Himself Col 1.18

Please take care with the sacred words
May 10, 2015 at 6:55 am#796949
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Yes the Word was God.
May 10, 2015 at 6:55 am#796950
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Yes the Word was God.
May 10, 2015 at 7:13 am#796951
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God.
So the simple understanding of this to you is that an anointed man was a godly being?
No we have the geneology of Jesus written in mat 1.

So it has a spiritual meaning.

John said he had touched THE WORD.
John spoke of Word that was with God and was God.
This is the geneology of the Spirit of Christ.

The flesh contributes nothing.
May 12, 2015 at 4:05 am#797140
DavidL
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t8
You are simply required to believe and know the Jesus who is the son of God and the messiah and his Father and God who is our Father and God. It is not hard. Do not complicate things. That leads to error. Keep it simple and keep it scriptural.
You don’t fool me one bit with your nice scriptural platitudes…saying all the ‘right’ things about your little jesus like every cult deceiver in sheep’s garb.. peddling your own anti-trinity teaching that effectively denies the very thing you ‘claim’ to promote – Jesus Christ the Son of GOD..!!
“I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” – try confessing that one…!!!!
May 12, 2015 at 6:48 am#797149
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
Trinity is not taught in scripture
So if you are peddling it you are peddling ERROR.
May 19, 2015 at 11:12 am#797853
Proclaimer
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@DavidL
“I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” – try confessing that one…!!!!
I confess that Jesus and the Father are one. I also confess that we can be one and one with both the Father and the Son.
Can you confess our oneness I wonder?
May 19, 2015 at 11:13 am#797854
Proclaimer
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Hi t8,
Yes the Word was God.
Was the Word THE God?
May 19, 2015 at 11:16 am#797857
Proclaimer
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DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY CARNAL ARGUMENTS THAT DENY THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST..
“See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority.” – Colossians 2:9,10
But you twist this to mean that Jesus is God. If the fullness of humanity dwelt in me, does that make me Adam or adam?
You need to know the difference between identity and nature. If you confuse them, then all nature becomes identity, such as Jesus is God and Eve is Adam.
Nature is one thing, identity another. While God is divine, we can share in that divine nature. But we are not God because of that.
May 23, 2015 at 7:24 am#798267
DavidL
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AGAIN – DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY CARNAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE DEITY OF CHRIST..
CHRIST IS BOTH GOD AND MAN –
thus in His own Being, He bridges the gap BETWEEN humanity and Divinity..

Because the Son is One with the Father in His Deity (with God as God) – we as branches can partake of that divine nature..
this doesn’t make us God – it makes us Christ-like
we become sons through THE Son – receiving THE DIVINE NATURE OF THE SON.
“For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him..”
May 23, 2015 at 7:35 am#798269
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
Scripture says
God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.
But you say God was in God??
Jesus is a man. acts 2.22 1 tim 2.5

The vine is similar to the branches but not that similar to the vinedresser.
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