Is Jesus one of us or is he God?

Let’s be clear. Scripture explicitly states that Jesus is the son of God and we are sons of God. Jesus even calls us brothers because we are part of the same family as him. God never calls us brothers. To him we are his children. This doesn’t sound like Jesus is God does it? 

What does scripture say about who Jesus is. Let’s take a look.

Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers and sisters.

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

Sons of God

Clearly then, we are the same kind of being as Jesus.

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.

So both Jesus and us are sons and children of God. We are never brothers to God and God and Jesus are not brothers either. It is written that we will even have the same glorious body as he does.

who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

When we are born from above, we are given a new nature, that is divine nature.

by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature

If not divine nature, then we would still be of the flesh and die in our sins. Instead, we are born again, but we currently remain in a state of flux awaiting our resurrection bodies which will put us at rest and always toward the divine and without sin. Currently we live by divine nature and at other times the flesh nature.

So yes, we know that Jesus was begotten of the Father. So what do you suppose our new birth is?

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come”

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

See. We too are begotten of God.

The difference between redeemed people and Jesus is this. He is the prototype son.

So he is not God as many propose, just as we are not God, even if we have divine nature.

Jesus is the firstborn son among many sons. This is what the Bible teaches.

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  • #792111
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    The word was with God.

    The body was that of Jesus of Nazareth.

    #792115
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The voice of Jesus includes the words of the Spirit.

    God is Spirit

    But the flesh contributes nothing

    Even if we once did we no longer speak of Christ according to the flesh.[2cor 5.16f]

    #792120
    DavidL
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    yes, but He existed before His incarnation

    #792126
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Certainly the Word was with God.

    But Jesus was not in the beginning with God.

    #792130
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    is God a Lamb?

    #792132
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    To receive Jesus you must be baptised into him in his name

    Gal3.27

    For all of you who were baptised into Christ have clothed yourself with him”

     

    and it requires that he comes to live in us too by the Spirit

    Gal4.19

    ‘My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you..”

    #792140
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    2 cor 3.17

    ‘Now the Lord is the Spirit..’

    How does this fit with your funny trinity idea??

    #792141
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Of course the voice of the Spirit is the voice of the Lord.

    The Lord is the Spirit.

     

    How could anyone imagine the Spirit is a person separate from the Father and the Son?

    #792143
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Of course the trinity doctrine only exists in the imaginations of men who do not see what is written

    but think they can see something else written between the lines.

    #792146
    DavidL
    Participant

    Certainly the Word was with God.

    But Jesus was not in the beginning with God.

    Jesus IS the Word – Revelation 19:13

    He [not it] was with God in the beginning” – John 1:2

    “Now, Father, glorify Me [Jesus speaking] together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” – John 17:5

     

    Let Scripture interpret Scripture – then you’ll not be deceived by the teachings of men.

     

    #792148
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    John was a man of the Spirit.

    He recognised the Word living in Jesus.

    That Word was with God and had glory with God.

     

     

    Rev 19 does not say Jesus is the Word, but he did become the Word at the Jordan.

    The Word was made flesh.

     

    Fleshly men focus only on the flesh and cannot hear the Spirit.

     

    Even if we once did we know longer speak of Christ according to the flesh.

    Flesh contributes nothing

    #792150
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Can you hear the voice of the Spirit in the words of Jesus?

    Now the Lord is the Spirit.

    #792151
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Jesus became a life giving Spirit.

    The Word.

    #792153
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    You do recognise when Jesus is speaking but do not discern the source of those words

    He told you where they come from but you are slow to believe him.

     

    Even demons spoke through their victims as with the man in the graveyard but you still do not see it.

    #792157
    DavidL
    Participant

    Discussion with you is futile if you are not born again.

    This is the starting point in understanding the things of the Spirit.

    “The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.” – 1 Cor. 2:14

    #792160
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Did the Spirit teach you about the trinity?

    Then it should be written somewhere-but it isn’t.

    Be faithful to God and discard the folly of men. One master.

    #792163
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Yes davidl,

    You have your god

    but it is not the God of the bible.

    #792164
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    As a Christian, DavidL believes Jesus is the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world!
    You, as a muslim DO NOT – so What are even doing trying to represent what God says when you do not?

    Ed you have no idea what a Muslim is nor do you understand or comprehend the mission of Jesus

    #792165
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    ED, DavidL

    Who was Jesus sent to?

    #792175
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    The wonderful thing about the Spirit of Christ is that the work continues by that Spirit in his followers from the time of his death until now. Not that it is highly visible as there are few chosen.

    And the opportunity to be saved is still there

    Acts 2.37-9

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