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Even demons believe he is the son of God

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Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah…

He is the Word of Life

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And this fellowship of ours is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ.…

He was sent to us

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

The firstborn of all creation and all things created through him

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

He is back from whence he came

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Here is the timeline

I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”

Here is the promise

The Word of God who was with God in the beginning became flesh. He became on of us so we could be like him.

But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God and we are sons of God

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. 10 In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.

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  • June 11, 2007 at 9:49 pm#55297
    Not3in1
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    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,18:44)
    Hi not3,
    Is 53 does not describe glory.


    Jesus has glory as the begotten Son of God! He has to be born before he can receive that glory.

    June 11, 2007 at 10:01 pm#55300
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    ' begotten ' is not closely related to monogenes.
    John and Peter saw the glory of the monogenes Son on the mountain, the glory that he had had with the Father and wanted to have again.

    June 12, 2007 at 2:19 am#55335
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2007,10:01)
    Hi not3,
    ' begotten ' is not closely related to monogenes.
    John and Peter saw the glory of the monogenes Son on the mountain, the glory that he had had with the Father and wanted to have again.


    Are you sure?  

    Could it be that God glorified him temporarily (because the glory obviously faded) so that he could be in the same realm as Mo and Eli?  There are other explainations, aren't there?  To assume that the glory shown when he was transfigured was the glory he had “underneath” the flesh – well – that is reading into scripture what you hope is there, imho.  For no where else is Jesus ascribed any other glory than that of the only begotten Son.

    Let's just say for the sake of things that this glory was the glory of a preexistent spirit Son who had been sent to earth – and Peter was an eyewitness to it – why didn't Peter preach about this?  Peter says they heard the voice (of God) regarding Jesus and that is his emphasis – not the glory that was revealed.  I find that curious if this glory was to be a peak at who Jesus really was underneath it all – you would think that would become Peter's main thrust and message – who Jesus “really” was.

    June 12, 2007 at 2:30 am#55336
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi not3,
    Did he recognose Moses and Elijah and, if so, how?
    Were they holding placards like folk do at airports?

    June 12, 2007 at 2:39 am#55337
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 12 2007,14:19)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2007,10:01)
    Hi not3,
    ' begotten ' is not closely related to monogenes.
    John and Peter saw the glory of the monogenes Son on the mountain, the glory that he had had with the Father and wanted to have again.


    Are you sure?  

    Could it be that God glorified him temporarily (because the glory obviously faded) so that he could be in the same realm as Mo and Eli?  There are other explainations, aren't there?  To assume that the glory shown when he was transfigured was the glory he had “underneath” the flesh – well – that is reading into scripture what you hope is there, imho.  For no where else is Jesus ascribed any other glory than that of the only begotten Son.

    Let's just say for the sake of things that this glory was the glory of a preexistent spirit Son who had been sent to earth – and Peter was an eyewitness to it – why didn't Peter preach about this?  Peter says they heard the voice (of God) regarding Jesus and that is his emphasis – not the glory that was revealed.  I find that curious if this glory was to be a peak at who Jesus really was underneath it all – you would think that would become Peter's main thrust and message – who Jesus “really” was.


    Hi not3
    Jn17
    “1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

    2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I HAD with thee before the world was.”

    June 12, 2007 at 2:44 am#55340
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2007,14:30)
    hi not3,
    Did he recognose Moses and Elijah and, if so, how?
    Were they holding placards like folk do at airports?


    Maybe?

    :laugh:

    I'm kidding.

    Well, I'm sure it was revealed to Jesus. I'm sure they said something like, “Jesus it's me, Eli and Mo is with me – don't freak out. We're here to encourage you brother! If you quit now and don't go to the cross…..all will be lost! We believe in you.”

    June 12, 2007 at 2:47 am#55341
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi M,
    You wrote in another thread
    Hi not3in1,
    It may be interesting to understand the Hebrew perspective on the word Father. In the Hebrew language a name is not a identifier. In otherwords “father” is not a proper name. This concept is foreign to the Hebrew mind. To the Hebrew the term “father” literally means “one who gives strength to the family”. A name is a character trait to the Hebrews. For example; King David wuld be translated to the western mind as king = title and david = personal name. To the Hebrew it would mean King = one whio rules and David = one who is loved.. When A Hebrew reads King David they literally think one who rules and is loved.
    When a Hebrew reads “father” they think the one who gives strength to the family.
    FATHER
    Number 3962
    Transliteration:
    pater {pat-ayr'}
    Word Origin:
    apparently a root word
    TDNT:
    5:945,805
    Part of Speech:
    noun masculine
    Usage in the KJV:
    Father 268, father 150

    Total: 418
    Definition:
    generator or male ancestor
    either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents
    a more remote ancestor, the founder of a race or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David
    fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a race
    one advanced in years, a senior
    metaph.
    the originator and transmitter of anything
    the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself
    one who has infused his own spirit into others, who actuates and governs their minds
    one who stands in a father's place and looks after another in a paternal way
    a title of honour
    teachers, as those to whom pupils trace back the knowledge and training they have received
    the members of the Sanhedrin, whose prerogative it was by virtue of the wisdom and experience in which they excelled, to take charge of the interests of others
    God is called the Father
    of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler
    of all rational and intelligent beings, whether angels or men, because he is their creator, preserver, guardian and protector
    of spiritual beings and of all men
    of Christians, as those who through Christ have been exalted to a specially close and intimate relationship with God, and who no longer dread him as a stern judge of sinners, but revere him as their reconciled and loving Father
    the Father of Jesus Christ, as one whom God has united to himself in the closest bond of love and intimacy, made acquainted with his purposes, appointed to explain and carry out among men the plan of salvation, and made to share also in his own divine nature
    by Jesus Christ himself
    by the apostles

    June 12, 2007 at 2:50 am#55342
    NickHassan
    Participant

    ps,
    And in OT as in Gen 2.24
    24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
    Number 1
    Transliteration:
    'ab {awb}
    Word Origin:
    a root
    TWOT:
    4a
    Part of Speech:
    noun masculine
    Usage in the KJV:
    father 1205, chief 2, families 2, desire 1, fatherless 0369 1, forefathers 07223 1, patrimony 1, prince 1, principal 1

    Total: 1215
    Definition:
    father of an individual
    of God as father of his people
    head or founder of a household, group, family, or clan
    ancestor
    grandfather, forefathers — of person
    of people
    originator or patron of a class, profession, or art
    of producer, generator (fig.)
    of benevolence and protection (fig.)
    term of respect and honour
    ruler or chief (spec.)

    June 12, 2007 at 5:27 am#55359
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Thanks, Nick. All of this information is going to help me put together one fantastic card for my husband on Father's Day! :)

    June 12, 2007 at 5:31 am#55360
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 12 2007,14:47)
    one who has infused his own spirit into others


    This is one of my favorites in describing a Father…

    June 12, 2007 at 5:34 am#55361
    Not3in1
    Participant

    The Father has infused his own spirit into his only begotten Son.

    The Father has not incarnated himself into his only begotten Son (so as to make the Son turn into God the Son. Right?

    June 12, 2007 at 10:14 pm#55394
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 11 2007,18:44)
    Hi not3,
    Is 53 does not describe glory.


    Hi Nick:

    I understand that you are saying this because Isaiah 53 describes his suffering, but what makes him the glorious Son of God is that he obeyed God without sin even unto death on the cross so that whosoever chooses to be reconciled to God may do so.

    Hebrews 1:8
    But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
    1:9
    THOU HAST LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND HATED INIQUITY; THEREFORE * * God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

    Phil 2:8
    And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
    2:9
    Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    God Bless

    June 12, 2007 at 10:30 pm#55395
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi 94,
    Is 53 describes the man Jesus as seen by men before his anointing with the power and nature of God by the Spirit.

    ” 1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

    2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

    3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.”

    You missed the first part of Phil2.
    He was
    before he came
    and he was found
    in fashion as a man.

    June 19, 2007 at 3:39 am#55833
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    What does son of God mean to you?
    Since Jesus was conceived does it really mean ” son of God and Mary”
    I think he was truly the son of God alone-monogenes.

    June 19, 2007 at 3:50 am#55838
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Yes it does mean Son of God and Mary.

    Son of God and Son of Man.

    June 19, 2007 at 4:09 am#55843
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    God does not share his glory with anyone.
    ps 2
    ” 7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. “

    June 19, 2007 at 6:03 am#55861
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2007,16:09)
    Hi not3,
    God does not share his glory with anyone.
    ps 2
    ” 7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. “


    Nick, I'm uncertain as to the point you are making?

    I agree with what you have written.

    Ps 2 is prophetic. If you don't believe it is prophetic, what are your reasons for believing otherwise?

    June 19, 2007 at 6:13 am#55864
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Not3,
    We should not presume to be prophetic what may have happened.

    June 19, 2007 at 6:17 am#55868
    Not3in1
    Participant

    “…may have happened.” ?

    Well, most of what is written in the Psalms is prophetic.  Even parts of the Psalm you are referring to are prophetic.  So, I'm only going by what seems logical.

    However, I am open to seeing this truth if it can be clearly taught in scripture without the deducing and deducting like the Trinity teachings.

    June 19, 2007 at 6:28 am#55875
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    Logical?

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