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Even demons believe he is the son of God

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Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah…

He is the Word of Life

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And this fellowship of ours is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ.…

He was sent to us

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

The firstborn of all creation and all things created through him

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

He is back from whence he came

And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Here is the timeline

I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father.”

Here is the promise

The Word of God who was with God in the beginning became flesh. He became on of us so we could be like him.

But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God and we are sons of God

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because He suffered death, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone. 10 In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.

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  • March 19, 2007 at 1:47 pm#45483
    TimothyVI
    Participant

    Hi Adam Pastor,

    Thank you for “concerning I am”
    I had not looked at the Hebrew and Greek words used before.

    Very good.

    Tim

    March 20, 2007 at 2:43 am#45596
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    God calls Himself
    “I am who am”
    Christ was with God in the beginning and so was before Abraham and David.
    Living Abraham rejoiced to see the coming of Messiah and David called him Lord.

    March 25, 2007 at 6:30 pm#46118
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Micah[kjv]
    Chapter 5
    2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old[6924], from everlasting[3117].
    NASB
    2″But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
    Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
    From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel
    His goings forth are from long ago,
    From the days of eternity.”
    Number 6924
    Transliteration:
    qedem {keh'-dem} or qedmah {kayd'-maw}
    Word Origin:
    from 6923
    TWOT:
    1988a
    Part of Speech:
    Usage in the KJV:
    east 32, old 17, eastward 11, ancient 6, east side 5, before 3, east part 2, ancient time 2, aforetime 1, eternal 1, misc 7

    Total: 87
    Definition:
    n m
    east, antiquity, front, that which is before, aforetime
    front, from the front or east, in front, mount of the East
    ancient time, aforetime, ancient, from of old, earliest time
    anciently, of old (adverb)
    beginning
    east adv
    eastward, to or toward the East
    Number 3117
    Transliteration:
    yowm {yome}
    Word Origin:
    from an unused root meaning to be hot
    TWOT:
    852
    Part of Speech:
    noun masculine
    Usage in the KJV:
    day 2008, time 64, chronicles 01697 37, daily 44, ever 18, year 14, continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8, full always 4, whole 4, alway 4, misc 44

    Total: 2279
    Definition:
    day, time, year
    day (as opposed to night)
    day (24 hour period)
    as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
    as a division of time
    a working day, a day's journey
    days, lifetime (pl.)
    time, period (general)
    year
    temporal references
    today
    yesterday
    tomorrow

    One thing is plain.
    The Son has an origin.
    God does not have an ORIGIN.
    God is the original

    April 6, 2007 at 8:43 pm#47887
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WIT,
    You said in another thread
    '1 John 4:2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God.
    2 John 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

    These verses indicate that Jesus was in the flesh. “

    So Jesus,
    existed,
    and came in the flesh?

    April 22, 2007 at 11:26 pm#50151
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    Those who strive here day after day to try to show by inference that both Jesus and his father are called by the same name should really ask themselves what eternal benefits are to be found in such endeavours. They cannot find a third of the same name so it does not help their proposition that our God is a trinity. If they prove it to their own satisfaction are they not also denying the Son of God, who is the vital link in their hope for salvation?

    April 22, 2007 at 11:42 pm#50152
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    They should listen to the answer Jesus gave when accused of making himself God.
    John 10
    33The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” …..
    …..”..do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, ' I am the Son of God'?

    May 13, 2007 at 7:56 pm#52017
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi gw,
    There is no God the Son in scripture but the Son of God.

    May 14, 2007 at 5:35 am#52120
    chosenone
    Participant

    Hi Nick, this may interest you.

    GOD'S CREATIVE ORIGINAL
    A. E. Knoch

    The names and titles of Christ are worthy of the closest study, and should be examined closely in the Original, as presented in the sublinear of the Concordant Version. There we read of THE ORIGINAL OF-THE CREATION OF-THE God. In phrases such as this, the relation of the words to each other are of prime importance. Here it is the so-called genitive, which we call the possessive case.

    It is not simply THE-God, but tou, OF-THE, and Theou, God's, not Theos, God. It is not God, Himself, but something that is His, that is, the creation. A long list of the occurrences of this form will be found on page 259 of the lexicon in the complete C.V., as well as on page 128 of the International edition (Rev.3:14).

    There we have them segregated into groups, Son, Kingdom, begotten, glory, grace, hand, sight, judgment, messengers, power, righteousness, spirit, will, word, and others. These hundreds of examples unite their testimony in affirming that whatever is of God is distinct from God. All is of God (2 Cor.5:18). That clearly shows that all is not God Himself, as some suppose. A son is of a father, but no son is his own father. A creation of man is not man himself God's creation is not God.

    Further, in the example before us, “beginning” or “Original,” of creation is neither God nor creation, but belongs to creation, and must be created. According to the C.V. concordance, this form occurs in Mark 10:6; 13:19; Rom.1:20; 8:19; Col.1:5; Heb.9:11; 2 Peter 3:4, and in this passage, Rev.3:14. In fact this very phrase “beginning of creation” occurs in Mark 10:6; 13:19; 2 Peter 3:4, and refers to the first part of the time in which creation has existed. But our passage is in the unveiling of Jesus Christ, and He is the One indicated by this phrase. His relation to creation is more definitely set forth in Col.1:15-17, where He is said to be the Firstborn of every creature (which shows that He is One), and all else was created in Him and through Him and for Him, and He is before all. So also was the human race created in and through Adam, who was before the rest. Let us believe exactly what is revealed, rather than reason illogically about it in order to make bring it in line with the apostasy of Christendom.

    Blessings.
    © Concordant Publishing Concern

    May 14, 2007 at 6:05 am#52126
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Interesting CO.
    Thanks

    May 19, 2007 at 9:22 pm#52623
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    The Son of God is our vital foundation stone.
    This is what Is 1.18 said of the term in another thread.

    “Yes, but what did Peter mean by “Son of God”? To the Jewish mind “Son of” can denote 'nature of' or 'of the order of'. James and John were called (by Yeshua) sons of thunder (Mark 3:17), they had this nature. Judas was described (by Yeshua) as a son of perdition (John 17:12). In the OT the son of a prophet was a term used to describe someone from the order of the prophets. So Peter may have intended this connotation.”

    Faith in the Son of God is essential and such is a sad commentary on how he has been denied.

    May 19, 2007 at 11:17 pm#52626
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    The major plan of Satan is to deny the Son of God.
    He does this largely by trying to show that Jesus is God Himself thereby denying the existence of the Son. Under the apparently noble approach of encouraging men to treat Jesus as our God his own personal status as the son of God is steadily undermined.
    He has successfully deceived the whole world it seems with the orthodox 'churches' busily promoting this doctrine.

    Jn 14
    “1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. “

    Thus he shows he is not God but it a being separate from God.
    He is the mediator between God and men.

    May 19, 2007 at 11:38 pm#52628
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Jesus is the male offspring of God (aka – the Son of God).

    Jesus is the second person of the Triune God, who is an incarnation of God himself (aka – the Son of God).

    Which sounds scriptural?

    If is my feeling that to make Jesus something other-than the literal Son of God is to slap the face of the Father who beget him.

    June 5, 2007 at 6:21 am#54703
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    Jn 8
    “42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:
    for I proceeded forth
    AND
    came from God;
    neither came I of myself, but he sent me.”

    The Monogenes Son here describes his origins.
    How do you read this?

    June 5, 2007 at 6:52 pm#54766
    Not3in1
    Participant

    I read it simply as it is written.

    Proceed = come forth
    Come = originate
    Originate = beginning or derivation from a source
    Beginning = start or come into being
    Source = point of origin, providing what is needed

    Essentially, this passage in John 8 is describing John 1:1 – Jesus had a beginning, a start, and his origin is God who provided what was needed for him to be alive.

    Jesus couldnt' come to earth himself because he didn't exist. But he originated with God (his beginning), then God provided what was needed (sperm for Mary's egg – yes Tim2, it's true – scandalous, huh?), then Jesus can say he came from God. Didn't your sons come from you? Are you not their originator?

    June 5, 2007 at 7:03 pm#54775
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Not3,
    That is sexist, in human terms, putting human fatherhood before maternal involvement?
    What of Mary?
    “Did not exist” indicates prejudice against learning.

    June 5, 2007 at 9:13 pm#54783
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2007,07:03)
    Hi Not3,
    That is sexist, in human terms, putting human fatherhood before maternal involvement?
    What of Mary?
    “Did not exist” indicates prejudice against learning.


    You had said that “bringing forth” was the delivery of the child and thus attributed to Mary only, and I thought that was sexist – to leave the father out of the  “bringing forth.”  I'm sorry to say that without the Rooster there would be no fertile eggs coming from the chicken – the only thing coming from my chickens are eggs for our breakfast (because we do not own a Rooster).  Without the Father, there would be no Son.  Mary would ovulate all she wants to, but without a “Father's will” there will be no child.

    “Did not exist” indicates what?  What are you referring to?

    June 5, 2007 at 9:36 pm#54789
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ June 06 2007,09:13)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 06 2007,07:03)
    Hi Not3,
    That is sexist, in human terms, putting human fatherhood before maternal involvement?
    What of Mary?
    “Did not exist” indicates prejudice against learning.


    You had said that “bringing forth” was the delivery of the child and thus attributed to Mary only, and I thought that was sexist – to leave the father out of the  “bringing forth.”  I'm sorry to say that without the Rooster there would be no fertile eggs coming from the chicken – the only thing coming from my chickens are eggs for our breakfast (because we do not own a Rooster).  Without the Father, there would be no Son.  Mary would ovulate all she wants to, but without a “Father's will” there will be no child.

    “Did not exist” indicates what?  What are you referring to?


    Hi Not3,
    No I did not.
    I showed it did not mean that.
    So what does this bringing forth of a Son into the world mean?

    June 5, 2007 at 11:10 pm#54804
    Not3in1
    Participant

    You said that midwifes and mothers bring children into the world and fathers do not (page 10 Philippians thread). Please correct me further if I am misunderstanding.

    June 5, 2007 at 11:33 pm#54808
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi not3,
    God begat a son and brought him into the world through Mary so he became also Son of Man.

    June 6, 2007 at 12:07 am#54813
    Not3in1
    Participant

    When God speaks of his “sons” in the OT he is referring to those he created (angels and hosts).
    When God speaks of his only begotten Son, he is speaking of a literal Son.
    If words mean anything, a begotten son requires conception of a new individual.

    If I am grasping what you are saying correctly, you are saying that God “created” Jesus and then transported him into Mary so that he could put on flesh and be born. That is not logical because as we have discussed at quite some length…..conception requires that Mary contribute more than flesh. She is not a flesh-making-factory! Ignoring this will allow you to create your own theology regarding Jesus' preexistence.

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