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February 15, 2016 at 10:26 am#808862
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Hi t8,
Jesus existed in the form of God?
That is not in scripture.
Are you sure about that Nick?
KJ21
who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,
ASV
who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
BRG
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
CEB
Though he was in the form of God, he did not consider being equal with God something to exploit.
CJB
Though he was in the form of God, he did not regard equality with God something to be possessed by force.
CEV
Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.
DARBY
who, subsisting in the form of God, did not esteem it an object of rapine to be on an equality with God;
DLNT
Who, while being in the form of God, did not regard the being equal with God a thing-to-be-grasped,
DRA
Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
ERV
He was like God in every way, but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit.
ESV
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
ESVUK
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
GNV
Who being in the form of God, thought it no robbery to be equal with God:
GW
Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.
GNT
He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.
HCSB
who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God as something to be used for His own advantage.
ICB
Christ himself was like God in everything. He was equal with God. But he did not think that being equal with God was something to be held on to.
ISV
In God’s own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping.
JUB
who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God,
KJV
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
AKJV
who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
LEB
who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God something to be grasped,
TLB
who, though he was God, did not demand and cling to his rights as God,
MEV
who, being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped.
MOUNCE
who, although he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
NOG
Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.
NABRE
Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.
NASB
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
NCV
Christ himself was like God in everything. But he did not think that being equal with God was something to be used for his own benefit.
NET
who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,
NIRV
In his very nature he was God. Jesus was equal with God. But Jesus didn’t take advantage of that fact.
NIV
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
NIVUK
who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
NKJV
who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
NLV
Jesus has always been as God is. But He did not hold to His rights as God.
NLT
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.
NRSV
who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,
NRSVA
who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,
NRSVACE
who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,
NRSVCE
who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited,
OJB
Who, though existing in the demut of the mode of being of Elohim [His etzem or essential nature, Yn 1:1-2; 17:5], nevertheless Moshiach did not regard being equal with G-d as a thing to be seized [BERESHIS 3:5],
RSV
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
RSVCE
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
TLV
Who, though existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal to God a thing to be grasped.
VOICE
Though He was in the form of God, He chose not to cling to equality with God;
WEB
who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
WE
He was in every way like God. Yet he did not think that being equal to God was something he must hold on to.
WYC
which when he was in the form of God, deemed not raven, that himself were even to God; [which when he was in the form of God, deemed not raven, himself to be even to God;]
YLT
who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not robbery to be equal to God,
February 15, 2016 at 10:27 am#808863
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Hi t8,
Should you patronise others?
Is you own position that secure?
Do you patronise others Nick?
Yes/No?
February 15, 2016 at 10:30 am#808864
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
There is no point in posting lots of incomplete verses.
A thousand half truths do not make one truth.

Scripture says
CHRIST JESUS.
you quote it as Jesus

February 15, 2016 at 10:33 am#808866
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
For most such an error would not matter as they know what the anointing did to the man Jesus.
But you seem to deny the power of God in him despite the very verse you quote.
February 15, 2016 at 11:22 am#808886
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Hi t8,
Jesus existed in the form of God?
That is not in scripture.,
Nick, you are the one who wrote that, but yes, Jesus is the Christ and was born the Christ.
Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Likewise if I say Jesus, then you should assume son of God too, even if I did not mention that specific thing at the time.
February 15, 2016 at 11:27 am#808889
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return.
flesh contributes nothing.

Acknowledge the power of the Spirit.
February 15, 2016 at 11:27 am#808890
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But you seem to deny the power of God in him despite the very verse you quote.
Not sure what you mean Nick, but you realise that these continuous accusations are going to have to stop. These forums are moderated to stop unnecessary conflicts. It is a pity that I even have to do that, but not all come here for the best reasons. Please stick to the teachings of yourself and others. Do not get personal and start accusing others of not having the Spirit or as denying the power of God. It is not for you to make such judgements. Please stick to what people teach and judge the teaching itself. Further, use scripture to base your argument, not personal opinions. If you did this, that would be helpful.
February 15, 2016 at 11:29 am#808891
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Acknowledge the power of the Spirit.
How is believing that Jesus Christ came in the flesh a denial of the power of the Spirit. It is not. We should not rely on our own understanding.
February 15, 2016 at 1:01 pm#808929
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Where did the power and abilities shown by Jesus Christ come from?
February 15, 2016 at 1:36 pm#808934
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All good things come from God, Nick. Even the most powerful angel in Heaven owes his life and ability to God the Father. Why do you think I do not believe this is anyone’s guess. I think you lack understanding in this area by reason of the questions you repeatedly ask.
February 15, 2016 at 4:50 pm#808943
NickHassan
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Thank you t8,
The knowledge power and abilities were from God.
God was at work in him to will and to do.
God’s power shows up best in weak vessels.

So this man was transformed by God and used in mighty ways.
The anointing made the difference.
When was the anointing?
February 16, 2016 at 12:32 pm#808978
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Nick, what you describe in your post is a prophet. A mere man moved by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus was a nprophet but much more. Instead of sending a mere servant, God sent his son into the world. He was the messiah at birth and was born king of the Jews. Yes this is God’s doing. No one has suggested otherwise except yourself when accusing others. When was the anointing? Well he was called Jesus Christ and beheld as Jesus Christ as a baby. Yes the Spirit came down upon him and stayed with him at the Jordan. This was a public recognition that he was the Christ. John was told that the one whom the Spirit comes upon is the Christ and he was recognised as such by many afterward. But he was also recognised before at his birth, when he came in the flesh to be precise.
These are the facts Nick, yet you would have me deny he was the Christ until John’s baptism of repentance.
What would it take for you to be happy Nick? If I deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, and instead that Jesus only came in the flesh, then would that make you happy.
If I denied that Jesus was the Christ, but that Jesus Christ was the Christ, then would that make you happy.
If I said that Jesus was not the Christ before his baptism, would make you happy.
I am sorry Nick, I cannot make you happy. I want to please God and his son. You won’t convert me that is for sure.
What spirit is it that wants to me to confess such lies. We are told in scripture to test the spirits to see if they are of God.
February 16, 2016 at 1:50 pm#808985
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Yes you cannot understand either prophecy or spiritual teaching.
Be well
February 16, 2016 at 2:24 pm#808986
kerwin
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T8,
These are the facts Nick, yet you would have me deny he was the Christ until John’s baptism of repentance.
Actually they are your interpretation of the facts.
I think that his words that you cannot understand prophecy refer to the evidence that Jesus is the one foretold to be the Christ, the King of Israel.
In calling him the Christ the angel of God merely demonstrated he was the foreordained to be the Christ. This idea may disturb some free will doctrinalists that think predestination in contrary to there teaching but it is not contrary to Scripture.
The only objection I have seen is that you think that the angel and others that addressed Jesus as the Christ, King off Israel, would refer to him as the Christ in the future tense. I and Nick obviously disagree.
An example of Scriture calling what will be as if it has alread been done.
Genesis 17:5Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Nick refers to Romans 4:17 which quotes Genesis 17:5.
February 16, 2016 at 2:34 pm#808987
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
You say
“Yes the Spirit came down upon him and stayed with him at the Jordan. This was a public recognition that he was the Christ. John was told that the one whom the Spirit comes upon is the Christ and he was recognised as such by many afterward. But he was also recognised before at his birth, when he came in the flesh to be precise.”
But in another post you agreed it was his anointing
So confusing
February 16, 2016 at 4:56 pm#809000
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I agreed that the Spirit came down on him at the Jordan because that is written and I agree that he was born Jesus Christ and the Lord. Even an angel of God testified to that. If you are confused, then please don’t shoot me. The Spirit leads us into truth. But if we reject scripture because it disagrees with our view, then it is not scripture that should change.
An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people.
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”
I cling to scripture Nick and what spirit is it that tries to draw men away from scripture and place a snare?
February 16, 2016 at 4:59 pm#809001
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Actually they are your interpretation of the facts.
No Kerwin. The scriptures I gave are the facts. Look at the one in the above post. That is fact. And it is also a fact that you are trying to draw me away from what it says. Read it carefully and consider the message that the angel of God delivered. If that angel signed up to Heaven Net and spoke to you, you would be arguing against him too.
February 16, 2016 at 5:08 pm#809003
NickHassan
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Hi T8,
Yes you stick to the natural meanings and you miss the Spiritual essence.

February 16, 2016 at 5:24 pm#809010
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Let me get this straight.
Natural meaning
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord
Spiritual meaning
Today in the town of David a MAN WHO WILL BECOME savior has been born to you; he WILL BE the Messiah, the Lord at the Jordan.
Please make any corrections to the above if your interpretation of this verse (in purple) is not represented well or correctly.
February 16, 2016 at 6:01 pm#809015
NickHassan
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Hi t8,
Perhaps you can begin to understand prophetic truth?
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