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Is religion the cause of most wars?

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You have heard it said before and perhaps you even believe it.

Religion is the cause of all wars and conflicts

But is this true? Is religion really the cause. Was WWI and WWII about religion?

It turns out that most wars have little to do with religion at all. Atheists Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot have caused many deaths and many other wars are about land, race, and revenge. So what percentage of wars are caused by religion. Watch the video and find out.

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  • May 17, 2015 at 5:34 am#797583
    bodhitharta
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    Hitler was not an atheist he was a Christian

    Quotes from Hitler:

    Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

    “National Socialism is not a cult-movement– a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship… We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else– in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will– not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]

    “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

    Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    “Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.” -Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)~http://www.evilbible.com/hitler_was_christian.htm

    May 18, 2015 at 12:10 am#797673
    Proclaimer
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    lol, Hitler was a Christian? Do you believe what all people say.

    Anyone who thinks that Hitler was a true Christian is deceived.

    Revelation 21:8
    But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

    Was Hitler a murderer?

    “When one looks at the atrocities committed under the Nazi regime of Adolf Hitler and compares them to the teacher of universal love, Jesus of Nazareth, one might come to the immediate conclusion that the notion that Hitler was a Christian is absurd”.
    Kevin Davids,

    You really need to do a bit more research before saying someone is a Christian. Hitler’s contempt for Christians and the Bible was genuine and well-attested. Just because he was born Catholic doesn’t make him a true Christian. Just because he wanted Christians to join him didn’t make him a Christian. Just because he tried to appease Christians to join his cause didn’t make him a Christian. Remember he did the same thing with Muslims. He had Islamic Arab allies. Like all leaders he knew how to use religion for his own advantage.

    According to Nazi-era Minister of Armaments and War Production Albert Speer , Hitler stated in private, “The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” 

    Tell me Bod, does a true Christian gas Christians in ovens? Just saying you need to think more deeper about things. Often evil people deceive and are deceived.

    Here are some quotes I gleaned regarding Hitler and Hitler Youth.

    We are the joyous Hitler youth,
    We do not need any Christian virtue
    Our leader is our savior
    The Pope and Rabbi shall be gone
    We want to be pagans once again.”

    – Song sung by Hitler youth

     

    “The Ten Commandments have lost their validity.  Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”

    – Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 220

     

    “The heaviest blow which ever struck humanity was Christianity; Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child.  Both are inventions of the Jew.”

    – Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler’s Table-Talk, p. 7

     

    “The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest.  Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature.  Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”

    – Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, trans., (Oxford, 1953), Hitler’s Table-Talk, p. 51

    May 18, 2015 at 2:30 am#797680
    DavidL
    Participant

    The first man born was a murderer – his hatred ignited through religious jealousy..

     

     

    Religion can cause wars as much as anything else..

    because Satan is the god of religion.

     

    May 18, 2015 at 3:56 am#797686
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    @DavidL

    Very good point about Cain

    @t8

    The orthodox Jews called Hitler the agent of divine wrath but also many who hold high the Christian banner has done horrible things and while we can say it is not acceptable to us we can not simply accuse them of not being Christians because ultimately people have to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. The bible does teach that God punishes people through other people and in some pretty gruesome ways such as ripping apart pregnant women and dashing little children against rocks. Some people like yourself are afraid to face the facts about God and Violence, perhaps if you embrace it you can garner deeper understandings.

    For instance if the Bible has a prophecy that clearly says what wrath He will bring if He is turned away from, why do you close your eyes when the punishment is happening or worst still don’t believe God will do what He says.

    May 18, 2015 at 4:19 am#797690
    david
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    Strong ideologies or belief systems tend to be a source of friction.

    Whether hitter was an angriest or Christian he was a leader. And leaders use the religion or beliefs of the masses to control and manipulate them.
    The idea that Jews were sub-human and responsible in some way for their messiahs death, would be a good way to motivate people to do inhumane things.

    So let’s say hitter was an athiest who said religious things for the religious people to tickle their ears. We’re not those people who listened religious?

    To know what causes violence, it would help to study “the better angels of our nature, why violence has declined,” by Steven pinker.

    May 18, 2015 at 6:18 am#797703
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Violence always declines not because of any “better angels of our nature” violence declines wherever forces cannot be overwhelmed where the clear choice becomes to refrain from violence or any other crime. with this being the case most crimes occur from almost mental aberration.

    For instance long ago the more different tribes you had the more conflict sometimes over resources, the more everything effects everything else the less conflict is desired such as when the U.S. and The former Soviet Union called a truce it was only because of potential mutual destruction likewise declines in criminality is often accompanied by a rise in mutual benefits. The recent upswing in protests and riots is occurring because there is no benefit not to.

    It’s been also shown that even in police forces that when real Crime goes down and the force has less operating money they are often told to RAISE money
    through infractions and ticketing and this is where much abuse and harassment tend to rise because the complete elimination of crime would not benefit the police as jobs would be on the line, perhaps they should be rewarded for diminishing crime, maybe a huge bonus for everyone in a year with no or very few murders or rapes reported

    May 18, 2015 at 9:49 am#797727
    Proclaimer
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    A number of wars have ensued because of or on behalf of the Jews. But there is a very good reason for that.

    Genesis 12:3
    And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

     

    May 18, 2015 at 9:56 am#797728
    Proclaimer
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    The orthodox Jews called Hitler the agent of divine wrath

    I don’t know if this is true, but yes Hitler was an agent of wrath most certainly.

    God allows his people to be handed over to their enemies when they do not follow him. This is practically what the Old Testament is about and we see it time and time again. The Egyptians, Medes, Persians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans, Spanish, Germans, etc.

    i.e., if they do not follow him, then they move away from his divine protection and into the arms of the god of this age.

    If my child decides to move away from my protection, then he could for example get lost, be hurt, kidnapped, etc.

    It is basic knowledge and not to be taken that God tells people that are not his to kill his own people. Just the same that if my son was kidnapped because he ran away from my protection, then that is not me telling someone else to kidnap my son. It is purely a consequence of moving outside of God’s will the same as a child moving outside of their parents will and protection. A good parent that is.

    May 18, 2015 at 9:57 am#797729
    Proclaimer
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    Good point DavidL.

    May 18, 2015 at 10:11 am#797730
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Genesis 12:3 is not about Jews only you seem to keep getting things confused ABRAHAM was not JEWISH nor was he a CHRISTIAN so why keep falsely attributing only Jewry to him?

    May 18, 2015 at 10:25 am#797733
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    @t8

    I don’t know if this is true, but yes Hitler was an agent of wrath most certainly.

    God allows his people to be handed over to their enemies when they do not follow him. This is practically what the Old Testament is about and we see it time and time again. The Egyptians, Medes, Persians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Ottomans, Spanish, Germans, etc.

    i.e., if they do not follow him, then they move away from his divine protection and into the arms of the god of this age.

    If my child decides to move away from my protection, then he could for example get lost, be hurt, kidnapped, etc.

    It is basic knowledge and not to be taken that God tells people that are not his to kill his own people. Just the same that if my son was kidnapped because he ran away from my protection, then that is not me telling someone else to kidnap my son. It is purely a consequence of moving outside of God’s will the same as a child moving outside of their parents will and protection. A good parent that is.

    But what you can’t phathom is the people doing the punishing can also be God’s people, When Paul was killing Christians he was a Jew and a person of God.

    What you seem to want to believe is that God only has 1 group of people at any one given time and this is where you miss the whole show, because you have to believe that Muslims are not God’s people to feel good but Christians have not done what God asked them to do just like Jews did not do what God asked them to do and so when the Kingdom is taken away from you, you all act dazed and confused and just call God’s people evil. do you believe God suddenly love Idols, Homosexuality, Fornication, vanity, greed, lust and all the things He said people would be punished for?

    Look at your Christians you will barely tell any difference between them and the nonbeliever almost everything is okay with them, Christianity is more like a live and let live philosophy. and what you call the state of Israel, read your bible does God condone this?:

    Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel have generally been seen as one of the most advanced in the Middle East and Asia.[1] Same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1988, although the former law against buggery had not been enforced since a court decision of 1963.[2] Israel became the first in Asia to recognize unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples, making it the only country in Asia to recognize any same-sex union thus far. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Israel

    When the Muslims follow the Bible and completely forbid these sins you call them brutal and savage, Christians don’t follow the Bible anymore and when they hold back judgement it is usually when they are sinning themselves because other than that you will find no group as judgemental as Christians

    May 21, 2015 at 12:26 pm#798097
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    But what you can’t phathom is the people doing the punishing can also be God’s people, When Paul was killing Christians he was a Jew and a person of God.

    He was not doing the will of God, and when he repented did he continue to kill Christians?

    As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting,

    In what way was he persecuting Jesus? Was he not partaking or agreeing with the systematic persecution and murder of those that followed Jesus Christ?

    Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.

    Bod, there is no justification for killing those that serve God, whether they are prophets, disciples, or the son of God. The best they can do is repent or be judged.

    May 21, 2015 at 5:04 pm#798132
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    You don’t seem to understand what I am saying, Paul was in the religion of Judaism as part of that God sanctioned religion, he killed Christians. He believed in the same God and here is a more severe example when Moses gave the covenant some were ordered to kill others, both groups were of the children of Israel

    June 2, 2015 at 1:53 pm#798785
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Paul may or may not be in the true religion.
    We are judged as individuals based on our own actions and choices.
    If a man does wrong and belongs to a religion, it does not condemn the religion.
    But if the book of that religion tells people to kill God’s people, then of course we should in the least be dubious of the book’s author.

    We know persons by their fruit. I guess you could say the same thing about spirits.

    June 2, 2015 at 2:29 pm#798791
    david
    Participant

    I actually saw this video a couple weeks ago. I was going to answer the question and was surprised when this video was the same video I had already watched.

    I almost don’t trust this though. Even if religion isn’t the “cause” of most wars. I feel like it is still used to get support for the war way more than 7% of the time.

    June 16, 2015 at 9:59 am#799642
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Often what happens is a war is over land or conquest and the chances are that both participants will have a different religion, culture, or race. People then brand the war as being between the this tribe and that tribe, this religion and that religion, or this people and that people.

    Not many look at the root or the heart and brand things by outward appearance.

    The Catholic vs Protestants in Northern Ireland is a perfect example. It is not about religion at all, but the conquest of the Irish at the hands of the British.

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