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If the Message translation is acceptable:

Yeshua said: Don't run from suffering, rather embrace it; I'll show you how.

Yahweh said through Peter: Yeshua suffered physically, so have the same attitude Yeshua had. (the apostles all preached from the Scriptures proving how the Messiah MUST suffer, and should any student expect better treatment than their teacher? … Again, since we live in a world/worldsystem so totally corrupt they would crucify Yeshua again if they could, as they will rejoice with partying when the two witnesses are murdered by anti-Messiah; if then, in this same worldsystem you are comfortable or spoilt or accepted by most men, then don't delude yourself into thinking you have a part in the Messiah.

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for an understanding more in line with the word usage (like 150 to 1 or so) google:

Part 5: Nothing Is Removed In 2 Thessalonians 2:7
By Ed Tarkowski

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i looked up those last two refs in revelation chptr 6 and 7,
nothing in those verses/chapters seems to indicate that those with white robes were ones to repent during the persecution, nor because of it, but rather they died because they held fast to their testimony and the blood of the Lamb –they entered the trib/persecution already righteous by faith, and, as promised in Scripture, the enemy was given power over them to kill them…

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Two quotes of interest several pages back(passerby?):
1″People will still repent during the tribulation so the Spirit of God must still be present and without a moral voice in the world lawlessness will abound like Soddom & Gomorrah and the days of Noah!”
?? will they still repent? – let the wicked become more wicked and let the righteous become more righteous NT, and
even though 1/3 of mankind is killed, the rest continues on their way without thinking of repenting REVELATION
and as in the days of NOAH (8only) !!! YESHUA
??also, lawlessness already abounds, right?

2″The causing of “oblations to cease,” with regards to the spiritual 3rd temple, would have nothing to do with animal sacrifice. But we could be persecuted as other christians have been from the times of Christ.”

???if you're not being persecuted right now, I wonder if you are standing up for the testimony of Yeshua – many today, 1905 through 2005, are dying, suffering, being put out of house and home and job and family, in Mexico, China, the U.S.A.!!!, et al, with more persecution, a lot more than ever before, already at hand…

Yahweh's Shalom to all who trust Him like a little boy trusting his father , YEAH! jeff in tulsa w/2sons

seeking disciples of Yeshua who trust Him more than life itself.

if this belongs on a different post, so be it.
if you know any disciple of Yeshua who has given up everything to follow Him, or wants to, please rsvp, I haven't been able to find any others in tulsa nor on the internet who aren't trying to self-protect their own life at the cost of trampling underfoot the truth and letting the poor be oppressed and murdered. (Pete Snyder in china may be a fine example of true disciple, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting him nor an opportunity that I know of).

p.s. when 'holy' is an true adjective, a lot changes.

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