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[toteachachild]

hey nick,
as i was going back and reading through this thread again, i had more questions…

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Hi tt and m42, I agree with you toteach that Christ as a child and young adult was not living in the power of the Spirit of God any more than any of us. He certainly is not recorded as expressing any supernatural powers till after the Jordan and we are told he was made like to us in all ways except sin, and none of us have such natural powers. After the Jordan Luke tells us he was filled with the Spirit and no such statements occur before then. He was not following John the Baptist and we should not make assumptions about such things but look at the fruit. God was as a father to Christ as a child and Jesus recognised this and spoke of it in the temple, but the Spirit of God did not manifest in power and grace till the Sppirit came down as a dove in the Jordan. People spoke of him as an ordinary person and member of his earthly family till he was changed. We cannot follow a superman. We can follow a man who was changed by the baptism in the Spirit of God as we must also seek as those without the Spirit do not have Christ.

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Posted: Mar. 08 2007,02:02   ——————————————————————————– Hi m42, We are meant to follow Jesus. If he is different then we cannot do so. What functionality does that have?

~if Jesus was made like to us in all ways except sin, does the word “except” imply that He is, at least somewhat different from us?  
~why could we not follow Jesus if He were different from us?  
~you refer to Jesus as the monogenes a lot, does this word imply that He is different from us?

what is evident to me at this point:
~Jesus is flesh, but also the Son of God.  He came in the flesh, which makes Him like us, yet Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, which makes Him different from us.

thank you for giving thought to my questions.  this journey seems forever long right now.  i appreciate your input (and anyone else who would care to respond.)

[toteachachild]

hi phoenix,

please don't give up.  God is true.  man is not.  the internet is certainly not.  you truly can find support on the internet to give “undeniable evidence” to any idea under the sun.  that does not make it so.  keep seeking, keep asking, keep knocking.  endure till the end.  although i am still seeking and still have many questions… i keep resting in the fact that God is true.  and He is faithful.  

i think i read somewhere that you have kids.  please do not give up… for their sakes.

[toteachachild]

hi,

i originally posted b/c i had (and still have) questions about the divinity of Jesus.  i left town for a little while and i have returned to see, sadly, that this thread has rapidly digressed.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 15 2007,18:50) Hi m42, What can you expect from monkeys? I am sure you have more to offer than just supercilious contempt. If you only come to teach and not to share in learning then have you not deemed yourself superior and unteachable? Loving your neighbour does not include such attitudes does it? 1. Did not come to teach nor have I claimed to be a teacher. 2. After months on here I have yet to see anyone honest enough with scripture or willing to go deeper then a kindergarten level Christianity.  What am I supposed to learn from that? I am teachable but someone has to have something I have not dissproven 30 times over already. 3. Came here for entertainment as I have said many many times. It is becoming less and less entertaining and therefore is losing it's draw. I am not interested in illusional Christianity which is what is most often offered on here. Now I am done discussing it with you too.  I am outta here for a season and will see if some better quality people come in another time.

music,  you once told me that you could tell that i was “hungry” by all the questions i was asking.  why would you resort to “general” statements about “everyone” on this site.  i thought you were teaching me what you have discovered in your search for truth.  i did not realize that i was merely entertainment for you.    

and is 1:18 – “good riddance” ?  what is the purpose of this forum if not to discuss our beliefs in an effort to draw us closer to the truth?  

yes, many of you are already confident that the whole your beliefs are the very truth of God according to His Word.  for those of us that are still seeking, like myself, please humor us and stick to the topics at hand so we perhaps could learn and perhaps be guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth.

thank you.  i appreciate any input you have regarding previously posted questions about the divinity of Jesus.

[toteachachild]

hi nick,

thanks for that scripture… yes, Jesus was surely aquanted with the Word of God.

i guess it's hard to figure out what is not directly written in scripture. i just can't understand how He was without sin at such an early age… it leads to all sort of assumptions, which i understand may or may not be accurate. i desperately desire my beliefs to be the very Truth of God, not just what is fanciful or convenient to believe.

[toteachachild]

hi david,

i can't figure this out… “Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.  Jesus answered them, 'Many good works I have shown you from My Father.  For which of those works do you stone Me?'  The Jews answered Him, saying, 'For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”  John 10:31-33… why did the Jews consider it blasphemy for Jesus to say, “I am the Son of God”?  

then Jesus made a reference to Psalm 82 – why did He do that?  was He establishing that God has children?

i used to think the religious leaders hated Jesus b/c He claimed to be God, which was blasphemy.  but now as i am reading the scriptures, i haven't read where Jesus actually said those words, (though some believed He implied being God.)  so, i don't understand why saying He is the Son of God is blasphemy?

i now understand that the religious leaders hated Jesus and wanted Him dead – b/c after that incident they said, “'If we let Him alone like this, everyone will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and nation.'  And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, 'You know nothing at all, nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.'  Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the childeren of God who were scattered abroad.  Then, from that day on, they plotted to put Him to death.”  John 11:48-52

so, it would accomplish 2 things to continue hating Him and seek His death: 1) the Jews wouldn't believe in Jesus and the Romans would leave their nation alone, and 2) it was expedient for the nation for one man to die for the nation.  

any help or insight would be appreciated. thanks.

[toteachachild]

hi nick,

does that discipline occur before they sin or after?

[toteachachild]

hi nick,

thanks for your response.

good scripture reference.  after reading it, i'm wondering… is chastening for any other purpose than correction?  would Jesus need correction if He was without sin?  what does hebrews 12:10 mean “…for our profit…?”

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Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

i don't quite understand this verse, b/c it seems that Jesus only became perfect upon the cross, yet based on the whole of the scriptures i know that is not correct… any help here?

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Is 53 1Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

was Jesus sticken, smitten of God and afflicted always, at times, or is this referring to the cross?  

thanks for your help…

[toteachachild]

bye now…

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and the winner is…

should have gone with my initail instinct… it was the one i tried first!

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is teal the one?

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did i try this one yet…

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how about maroon… ?

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is this what i had…?

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this one may be horrible, but i'm gonna try it…

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powder room?

hi nick, okay now that made me laugh!!  i suppose this is a bit like trying on lipstick… but this one is not the right color… so maybe it's a bit more like the cosmetic department of a department store…?

off to try some more…

[toteachachild]

yeaaaaa…. this is fun…

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or maybe perhaps this color…

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hmm… perhaps this color?

[toteachachild]

hi t8,

thanks for your response.

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…I know that anything that is not of faith is sin. I guess that Yeshua did all things in faith.

yes, it seems reasonable that Jesus did all things in faith, since He is the Son of God.  

i guess what i am wondering is how was Jesus able to have this faith and always choose righteousness over sin from His early years till the time when the Spirit of God descended upon Him?  i know the Lamb of God had to be spotless (without sin) to appease God and to atone for our sin.  what i do not know is how Jesus was able to keep from sin?  

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The reason we sin is because of our nature. Our nature cannot please God, but we can please God when we have faith.

do you believe that Jesus had our same human nature, a divine nature, or some combination of both human and divine?  if Jesus had our same human nature, then would His faith have begun at birth to keep Him from sin?  when i look at my toddler (she's 15 mos – it was my 3yr old who informed me that Jesus is not God, but the Son of God, which started me on this journey in the first place!   ) i see a precious little girl who has a mind and will of her own already, but is not yet able – at least to my knowledge – to have “faith.”  as Jesus was made like us, i do not understand how His faith could have begun so young so as to keep Him from sin.

any help or insight that you or anyone else could give would be much appreciated.  thanks.

[toteachachild]

i went out of town for some time and have enjoyed catching up on this thread.  

i am still wondering how Jesus was able to live without sin before His public ministry began.  

music – i believe you have stated that Jesus was able to do this is b/c He had God as His Father (direct source of Holy Breath) and teacher.  ie – the Spirit was already with Him.  (is that how you would describe it?)

nick – i'm wondering what you or others think, b/c i'm not sure about this one.  

Jesus was made like us in all ways, and if without the Holy Spirit before baptism, what explains His lack of sin from birth to 30ish?  since He was made like us in all ways, and without sin, then it would seem possible that we, too, could live without sin before being filled with the Holy Spirit.  yet if that were possible, for us to live without sin, then we wouldn't really need a Savior or need to be filled with the Holy Spirit.  so i'm left without understanding how He could be like us in all ways, yet without sin.  any input would be greatly appreciated.

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