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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    Your story makes sense indeed, but only if Thomas said thank you God. He did NOT, though 🙂

    He said to Jesus “My Lord” and also “My God”. Not thank you God.

    Once again, you clearly have twisted the Scripture and given it meaning that is not there….

    I really hope you can see that your position is full of twisting the Scripture instead of…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    I do NOT assume. I read the Scriptures:

    John 1:1-2

    1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 He was in the beginning with God.

    See, it is not me who said that God was with God from the beginning. It’s the Gospel of John. So, how can you accuse of me of “assuming”? I don’t understand…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    You said:

    If I spoke to Jesus, am I not also allowed or able to give God the glory just because I spoke to him?

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    Are you that dumb? Sorry, I don’t mean to insult you. Nobody’s saying that! Of course you or Thomas could give thanks to God, even when you are talking to Jesus, but that verse DOES NOT say that. That verse clearly says…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    You said:

    If I spoke to Jesus, am I not also allowed or able to give God the glory just because I spoke to him?

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    Are you that dumb? Sorry, I don’t mean to insult you. Nobody’s saying that! Of course you or Thomas could give thanks to God, even when you are talking to Jesus, but that verse DOES NOT say that. That verse clearly says…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    Don’t be silly. I never rejects any Biblical verses. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, I believe everything Peter and Paul say about Jesus, that He is the Only Son of God. Did I say not?

    It’s actually YOU who rejects some parts of the Scripture that teaches that Jesus is God, because YOU THINK that since Jesus is the Son of God, he…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    Don’t be silly. I never rejects any Biblical verses. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, I believe everything Peter and Paul say about Jesus, that He is the Only Son of God. Did I say not?

    It’s actually YOU who rejects some parts of the Scripture that teaches that Jesus is God, because YOU THINK that since Jesus is the Son of God, he…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    You said:

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    Togel

    you made God a liar for you made his God almighty a man

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    Read John 1:

    1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    Your point is very easily refuted by the fact that IT IS WRITTEN that “And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!””

    You are adding the non-existent “God the Father” there. Please, don’t add anything to the Scripture if you cannot accept it as it is. Just say that you cannot accept it, period. You don’t need to add or red…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terraricca,

    Thomas was a Jew, and he would not have exclaimed like that because that’s a sort of speaking God’s name in vain.

    Besides, it is CLEARLY written Thomas said to Him (Jesus) or answered Him, so it is clear that he was addressing Jesus.

    Thomas is calling Jesus My Lord and My God.

    You cannot do that, because of what? I make God a l…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terraricca,

    It depends on which Bible translation is used, but he was CLEARLY talking to Jesus: “My Lord and My God”.

    NKJV: Joh 20:28  And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

    BBE: Joh 20:28  And Thomas said in answer, My Lord and my God!

    CEVUK: John 20:28  Thomas replied, “You are my Lord and my God!”

    ESV: Joh 20:28  Tho…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    From the devil? Which part? Can you show me?

    And you have not answered me either: Can you say to Jesus what Thomas said to Jesus (You are )”My Lord and My God”?

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    From the devil? Which part? Can you show me?

    And you have not answered me either: Can you say to Jesus what Thomas said to Jesus (You are )”My Lord and May God”?

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terraricca,

    Your interpretation makes Jesus a liar.

    If you cannot believe what He says, you better discard the Scripture entirely.

    You just want to believe your mind and interpretation.

    When the Father says Jesus is My Son, I believe, when Jesus said that He and the Father are one, and when we see Jesus we see the Father, I believe, but you…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terraricca,

    Your interpretation makes Jesus a liar.

    If you cannot believe what He says, you better discard the Scripture entirely.

    You just want to believe your mind and interpretation.

    When the Father says Jesus is My Son, I believe, when Jesus said that He and the Father are one, and when we see Jesus we see the Father, I believe, but you…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terraricca,

    I do NOT interpret. I just believe. It is YOU who interpreted them, or to be precise, REINTERPRET them! And you accuse me of doing such thing?

    I follow my interpretation? WHICH interpretation? Once again, I DO NOT interpret anything. I just believe what Jesus says.

    Imagine this: you and I were with Jesus, among Jesus’ disciples when…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terraricca,

    Only in my mind? How can you say that? It IS WRITTEN in the Scripture:

    John 10:30  “I and My Father are one.”

    John 14:9  Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

    John 14:7 “If you had known Me, you would…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    Here’s your problem again: “your logic is trying to take over you”.

    You said: “then you have a huge contradiction to contend with.”

    There, you want to RATIONALIZE everything with your TINY brain. (Not just yours, but mine also, all of us’, is tiny compared to God).

    You believe that God must NOT have any contradiction, but I already wrote…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    Here’s your problem again: “your logic is trying to take over you”.

    You said: “then you have a huge contradiction to contend with.”

    There, you want to RATIONALIZE everything with your TINY brain. (Not just yours, but mine also, all of us’, is tiny compared to God).

    You believe that God must NOT have any contradiction, but I already wrote…[Read more]

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    T8,

    You asked (sorry, I did not know how to quote your questions into my answer):

    Did Jesus say that he was sent by the ONLY true God?

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    I already answered, I believe He said so several times in the Bible, so I believe it.

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    Togel replied to the topic Revelation 1:8 in the forum Truth or Tradition 8 years ago

    Terrarica,

    What you wrote is true, but NOT THE ENTIRE TRUTH:

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    there are dozens of clear scriptures that says Jesus is THE SON OF GOD ,

    there are clear scriptures that says JESUS HAS A GOD

    there are clear scriptures that says that JESUS CALLED HIS GOD FATHER

    there are clear scriptures that says jESUS CAME TO DO HIS FATHER /GOD…[Read more]

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