T8,

You said:

In the Old Testament, people saw YHWH when they saw the angel of the LORD.

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Sorry Brother, I think your statement above does not represent what is written in Genesis 18, Exodus 24, and Isaiah. It is clearly written there that Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah saw GOD (YHWH or YHVH, the Elohim of Israel). These verses are…[Read more]

T8,

You said:

In the Old Testament, people saw YHWH when they saw the angel of the LORD.

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Sorry Brother, I think your statement above does not represent what is written in Genesis 18, Exodus 24, and Isaiah. It is clearly written there that Abraham, Moses, and Isaiah saw GOD (YHWH or YHVH, the Elohim of Israel). These verses are…[Read more]

T8,

Great! Finally you are willing to address this, instead of just ignoring this. I appreciate your willingness to do this.

I see that your reasoning is very close to the truth, but I think you are still missing a few points simply because you are tied to your theology.

When faced with such opposing/contradictory information from the…[Read more]

T8,

You said:

If 5+3=8, then know that 5 and 3 are not 8 themselves. If a football team is equal to another, then by reason of that, it is not the same team, but two different teams.

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Trinitarians are not just saying that Jesus is the Father. Modalists do say that.

We say that Jesus is the Father and is NOT the Father.

You say…[Read more]

T8,

And talking about LIGHT, I read these verses:

Revelation 21:22-23

22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.

Lord God Almithty and the Lamb are its temple….

God…[Read more]

T8,

And talking about LIGHT, I read these verses:

Revelation 21:22-23

22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.

Lord God Almithty and the Lamb are its temple….

God…[Read more]

T8,

you said:

The Father is greater than the Son. Full stop.

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Why full stop? Why in other verses you can twist the meaning in any way you like but here full stop? This is clearly biased.

REad this:

Joh 14:12  “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will…[Read more]

T8,

No, I meant Hebrew 1:9 Heb 1:9  You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

Try replacing both Gods with Father, and you get a failure.

Verse 10 also EXPLICITLY states that the Father says to the Son that the Son laid the foundation of the…[Read more]

T8,

You said: You are kidding me. Are you saying that the three men are the Trinity?

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You better read the verses yourself:

Genesis 18:

1  Then the LORD (YHWH) appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day.
2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were s…[Read more]

T8,

You said: You are kidding me. Are you saying that the three men are the Trinity?

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You better read the verses yourself:

Genesis 18:

1  Then the LORD (YHWH) appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day.
2 So he lifted his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were s…[Read more]

T8,

The evidence for Trinitarians are ample; that Jesus is claiming equality with God is also evident in the Bible. You are just trying to ignore them and explain away those statements. Jesus says that He and the Father are one is not the only evidence. Jesus will come as the Judge at the end time, while we know from the Old Testament that God is…[Read more]

T8,

Your explanation may contain some truth, but in these Revelation verses, you are clearly putting words into Jesus mouth!!

Lord God says I am the Alpha and the Omega, and Jesus says I am the Alpha and the Omega.

But you give different meanings to that exactly the same name! Why? Because you have your own theology binding you! Anyone who…[Read more]

T8,

You are asking for verses where God refers Not to the Father but the Most High? I have already shoved you the verses many times: Genesis 18, Exodus 24, Isaiah 6.  (I know these are not “theos” but essentially the same, just different language).

Need more?

John 1:1 also does not work: and the Word was God.

Also the Hebrew verse, Heb 1:9  Y…[Read more]

T8,

So, from those Revelation verses that I quoted, you should already be able to see that The Father says that He is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, The Beginning and the End, and then in latter verses Jesus also uses this title for Himself.

So, how can you apply diffrent meanings to those names when used by the Father and when…[Read more]

T8,

You said:

Okay. Read those hundred verses that I took about God (at random). Try replacing the word God with Son. You still have a mountain of confusion.

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You are clearly being STUPID here. We cannot do that, as well as we cannot replace God with the Father in *ALL* Bible verses. You have to GET RID OF THE IDEA of God being an…[Read more]

T8,

Did you not read my post? Replacing *ALL* God with the Father also does NOT work!

So, once again, your method does not work.

As for Trinity, you cannot just replace All Gods into Trinity because sometimes God refers to the Son and sometimes to the Father, and sometimes to All. That’s why it does not seem to work.

T8,

You are missing my point!!

I do not intend to talk about “the First and the Last” because you have found a way to twist it.

I am only using that to identify the speaker: Jesus Christ. And He is claiming to be THE ALMIGHTY!

Now, do you get the point. How are you going to deny that since Jesus, who has died and came to life, is apparently…[Read more]

T8,

You are missing my point!!

I do not intend to talk about “the First and the Last” because you have found a way to twist it.

I am only using that to identify the speaker: Jesus Christ. And He is claiming to be THE ALMIGHTY!

Now, do you get the point. How are you going to deny that since Jesus, who has died and came to life, is apparently…[Read more]

T8,

You are missing my point!!

I do not intend to talk about “the First and the Last” because you have found a way to twist it.

I am only using that to identify the speaker: Jesus Christ. And He is claiming to be THE ALMIGHTY!

Now, do you get the point. How are you going to deny that since Jesus, who has died and came to life, is apparently…[Read more]

T8,

I said that your method is a failed method, but you keep forcing it!

We don’t do that, it’s you who did that, trying to replace God with “Trinity”. When the Bible writers wrote “God” it could include “all three persons” of God, it could be the Father, it could be the Son, or it could also be the Holy Spirit. Since each of the persons is God.…[Read more]