Gene,

Jesus said: that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father.

We are to honor the Son, JUST AS WE HONOR THE FATHER. How do we honor the Father? We honor the Father as God.
That means, we also are to honor Jesus as God, because we are to honor Jesus as we honor the Father. Not less!

Jesus also said:

Joh 8:50 Yet I do not seek my…[Read more]

Gene,

The Gospel is not only “all about the Father” but also about Jesus!
Read this verse:

John 5:22 The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son,
23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

We ought to honor the Son just like we honor…[Read more]

Gene,

Right, we accept ALL verses about Jesus being truly a son of man and more than that, but also THE Son of Man.. if you know what that is!

Trinitarians believe that Jesus is FULLY MAN and also FULLY GOD, which fits the ENTIRE Scripture.

No, I never say that I have no trouble accepting WHAT YOU SAY….. never. I say I have no problem…[Read more]

Jodi,

In the New Testaments, there are two groups of verses that describe Jesus:

1. That Jesus is a man
2. That Jesus is divine

I, and all other Trinitarian Christians, have no problem at all accepting the verses describing Jesus as a human being: annointed, born as a baby, son of Mary, son of Joseph, called son of David, hungry, tired, tortured,…[Read more]

Jodi,

All right, I think I can say a few more words.

You say that Jesus is a mortal man (“mortal man whose GENESIS is given to you by Matthew”, etc).

On what Scriptural basis did you say that Jesus is a mortal man?

Did you know that Adam was created IMMORTAL? He died ONLY AFTER he sinned.

According to Scriptures, Jesus is sinless. Do you…[Read more]

Jodi,

I really pity you because you just ignore many verses in the Scripture that show that Jesus is the eternal Son of God.

Example:

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen h…[Read more]

Gene,

As usual, you ignore the verses that shows that Jesus has a pre-existence, together with the Father.

The verse by Jude is clear that Jesus was leading the Israelites out of Egypt.

Jodi,

You said “The Spirit of Christ, meaning the Spirit of the Anointed, is the Spirit of God dwelling in Jesus’s spirit.”

I am afraid this is your own conjecture… Paul never says that Jesus has two spirits: himself’s and God’s Spirit in Him.

Read this:

1 Corinth 10:

1 I want you to know, brothers, that our fathers were all under the c…[Read more]

Unfortunately, you have in fact added your own twisted interpretation of that verse. Jesus is equalizing Himself with the Father by saying that He and the Father will come and dwell within us. He is claiming omnipresence and omnipotence.

Have you ever found the term ‘the Spirit of Peter’ or ‘the Spirit of Paul’ or the Spirit of Matthew in the…[Read more]

Jodi,

You got it wrong Brother… it’s Jesus and the Father making THEIR home IN US! So, the Holy Spirit is basically the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of Christ, because we know that it is the Holy Spirit that indwells in us.

Ro 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone…[Read more]

Jodi,
Then explain this verse:

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and WE WILL come to him and make OUR HOME with him.

Jesus and the Father will come and make THEIR home with those who love Jesus. If Jesus is a mere man, this is definitely is a blasphemy!! There are now billions o…[Read more]

Hi Gene,

Thank you for the welcome 🙂 Actually I was here some years ago…
Yes, I am definitely in the mainstream Trinitarian belief…

Thank you, peace and love to you and yours too 🙂

What are we talking about? This topic is from years ago.. I think we are talking about the divinity of Jesus Christ. People here are Unitarians, right? You do not believe that Jesus is God as much as the Father is God, right? Or what are we talking about?

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and WE WILL come to him and make OUR HOME with him.

T8,

It’s been very long… been very busy with projects, and evangelizing the Moslems… you know what? Debating with them does not feel too much different from debating with you! They like to use Bible verses that you use, to prove that Jesus is not God. LOL!

I don’t remember quite much the plot of our discussion, but what I remember is that…[Read more]

T8,

You are totally missing the point!

Jesus knew exactly that the God of Israel had been seen by people; He had visited Abraham in human form, He had been seen by Moses (Moses saw God’s back) and Israeli elders, and seen by Isaiah on His throne with the seraphim and cherubim around. Therefore, when John wrote “no one has seen God”, Jesus…[Read more]

T8,

You are totally missing the point!

Jesus knew exactly that the God of Israel had been seen by people; He had visited Abraham in human form, He had been seen by Moses (Moses saw God’s back) and Israeli elders, and seen by Isaiah on His throne with the seraphim and cherubim around. Therefore, when John wrote “no one has seen God”, Jesus…[Read more]

T8,

You are totally missing the point!

Jesus knew exactly that the God of Israel had been seen by people; He had visited Abraham in human form, He had been seen by Moses (Moses saw God’s back) and Israeli elders, and seen by Isaiah on His throne with the seraphims and cherubim around. Therefore, when John wrote “no one has seen God”, Jesus…[Read more]

T8,

You are totally missing the point!

Jesus knew exactly that the God of Israel had been seen by people; He had visited Abraham in human form, He had been seen by Moses (Moses saw God’s back) and Israeli elders, and seen by Isaiah on His throne with the seraphims and cherubim around. Therefore, when John wrote “no one has seen God”, Jesus…[Read more]

T8,

I do not disagree with the Scripture or their writers, but I disagree with YOUR INTERPRETATION of their writings.

When John writes that no one has seen God, John meant to say that none has seen the Father. Jesus explains this Himself:

John 6:46 “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

So, I…[Read more]