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[karmarie]

Quote (journey42 @ April 21 2012,00:59)

Quote (Stu @ April 20 2012,11:10) Quote (journey42 @ April 20 2012,01:56) Fine.  But what do you call an imaginary friend to a 10 year old that appears to you, then disappears?   What do you call an imaginary friend to a 13 year old that shakes your bed so hard at night, you swore someone was there pushing it. What do you call an imaginary friend that makes an object disappear from your eyesight, then returns it in another place? and what do you call an imaginary friend when you're 25 years old and that thing comes into your room, jumps on your bed and then suffocates you whilst you are gasping for breath, meanwhile showing himself in the most disgusting form that you can see with lights flashing right through it, and the terror, like nothing you have ever experienced in your life….and the hatred…breathing on you? No imaginary friend here, just an enemy, who hates me with such passion, even you could not exceed it. So where does one go, when your parents think you are going crazy, and theres no one in this whole world that understands the years of terror you have been going through by something not being there? Then one day, the light shines through, and somehow, by some miracle, a person says to you, I know what you have experienced, because it happened to me….and they give you a bible and say this book will reveal who they are and how you can overcome them, because they hate what is written in this book, and if you follow, they will go away, because you can command them to and they have to obey. ….and they went away, after a long struggle, and I commanded them and they left with the loudest bang on my house, similar to the sound of a car driving through it. and that Stu, is not only faith, but faith with power, and until it happens to you, you will never understand that there is a spirit world out there very strong, and evil, and if that spirit world obey that command, then that command can only come from one stronger than itself….it's creater. Now the rest is up to me to keep them away “resist evil and the devil will flee” and these words that seem made up to you, hold so much power, not only to me, but for others who have been in this same situation. You will never understand until you have met the other side.  And if this never happened to me, then I guess I would be an atheist till this day, or some type of doubter. Have you sought professional help for this?  And I don’t mean from a pastor or other snake oil salesman, but from someone in a profession that knows something about disorders of the mind?  Your story sounds terrifying, and I feel fortunate not to have experienced it, although I know a couple of other people who have described something similar and who now take anti-psychotic drugs for it.  The good news, and this is the good news of Jesus too, is that there is no particular reason to believe that any of it is really true. Stuart Hi Stu I didn't need anti psychotic drugs.  They went away as commanded. You can't see them.  Can't prove to anybody that they exist.  You only know that they have the ability to touch, restrain, show themselves in many different forms, and move objects.   Oh and another thing.  What made me so angry as a child is the fact my mum said it was all in my head, but I found out years later, that she saw this thing one night.  She was sewing that night and my 16 year old brother was playing ACDC “Highway to Hell” over and over.  My mums sewing machine played up and she cursed God, and blamed him for the faulty machine, which is what she used to do all the time back then and the next thing you know, she sees this huge dark figure and not long after, my brother got killed that night in an accident.  In his room we found a huge iron maiden “eddy” on the wall with the 666 on it.  He had drawn it the day before.  He mocked me too that day and said awful things about God.  I was so sad for him when he died. That was the last time my mum ever cursed God.  And now that I'm all grown up and moved out, my younger sister who is 24 which lives with my parents, told me one day that this thing came into her room and pressed on her so bad she couldn't breathe or yell.  Coincidence?  My daughter who is 20 stays there and told me that something jumped on her bed a few times.  My dad saw 3 men walk past his room.  He got up straight away and they had vanished.  They have heavy secured front doors, that just open and close by themselves, and footsteps walking up to the room..but theres nothing there.  They deny it because of fear, and don't want to talk about it incase someone suggests they need medication… ooh and the visitors that stay there….they all have stories to tell as well.  But it's just a mental condition, right Stu?  Drug em all up so that they become like zombies.  Lock em up and throw away the key?

Hi Journey42.

I agree with this. Not all stories but some.

When I was growing up, we moved into a house and strange things happened. It was a really bad feeling in there all of the time. My Mother was a strong Christian, but my Father wasn't. It was my Father who was tormented in that house the most. My Mother took a photo of the house one day from outside, and there was a shadow of a man staring right back at the camera from inside the house. Nobody else was in there. And then soon after that, my parents were warned by a local group from the Catholic Chuch that the house used to have a flagpole in the backyard and people used to dance around it worshipping the Devil, even showing them a map of where it used to be in a local history book, and advised them to move out (They actually had an organised meeting with my family). They believed them and sold it. Soon after, the family who moved in went through similar hard times and one day the local milkman found the man on the side of the road with a knife and his newborn baby. He managed to stop him harming the baby. But the man drove his car hundreds of miles and then crashed it and died.

I don't know what happened after that as I moved out of the district, but when I came back I noticed it was for sale and had a look inside. It was hard to describe what I felt.

But one thing I do know is that when you have faith in God, there is nothing to fear.

[karmarie]

Hi all.

Just been going back on some old posts of mine from a year ago, and was wondering anyone's views on this, thanks!

karmarie
Posted: June 02 2010,22:15

(Conversation with Bodhitharta),

In hermas it seems the son of God has always existed, he was the one through whom all things were created. He is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus was a man who the Son (Holy Spirit) came to dwell in.

Because Jesus was the perfect vessel he after suffering dyeing was risen from the dead and became the second son of God.

So there is now two sons of God. One the Holy Spirit who always was and two Jesus. The first from the dead,

And there will be many more, whomever the Son (Holy Spirit) dwells in.

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How I see things so far myself,

The Holy Spirit (son of God) always has been, is loved and protected by God, He always has been a part of God, a Spirit being, who with God YHVH created everything, treasured and eternal, So close to God they are one.

Jesus being a Man lived and acted righteously perfectly, sinless he became the chosen vessel for the Holy Spirit to enter and become a part of, which happened when at the Baptism of Jesus the Holy Spirit was seen coming from the clouds, floating down upon him.

Jesus then became the living word of God, the Son of God was in him The words he spoke were not his own but the Son of God within.

So, when Jesus was crucified, he was then risen from the dead and taken up to the Father he became the second son of God. The only one from all of humanity,

weep not for behold the Lion from the tribe of Judah has overcome!

And he was to be the first of many. But the position he holds is higher than any.

So..Father
   Son (Holy Spirit)
   Son (Jesus)

I dont know yet though im still learning.

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Sheppard of hermas..written aprox 90AD

CHAPTER II.
” A certain man had a field and many slaves, and he planted a certain part of the field with a vineyard, and selecting a faithful and beloved and much valued slave, he called him to him, and said, 'Take this vineyard which I have planted, and stake it until I come, and do nothing else to the vineyard; and attend to this order of mine, and you shall receive your freedom from me.' And the master of the slave departed to a foreign country.

And when he was gone, the slave took and staked the vineyard; and when he had finished the staking of the vines, he saw that the vineyard was full of weeds. He then reflected, saying, 'I have kept this order of my master: I will dig up the rest of this vineyard, and it will be more beautiful when dug up; and being free of weeds, it will yield more fruit, not being choked by them.' He took, therefore, and dug up the vineyard, and rooted out all the weeds that were in it. And that vineyard became very beautiful and fruitful, Having no weeds to choke it.

And after a certain time the master of the slave and of the field returned, and entered into the vineyard. And seeing that the vines were suitably supported on stakes, and the ground, moreover, dug up, and all the weeds rooted out, and the vines fruitful, he was greatly pleased with the work of his slave.

And calling his beloved son who was his heir, and his friends who were his councillors, he told them what orders he had given his slave, and what he had found performed. And they rejoiced along with the slave at the testimony which his master bore to him. And he said to them, 'I promised this slave freedom if he obeyed the command which I gave him; and he has kept my command, and done besides a good work to the vineyard, and has pleased me exceedingly. In return, therefore, for the work which he has done, I wish to make him co-heir with my son, because, having good thoughts, he did not neglect them, but carried them out.' With this resolution of the master his son and friends were well pleased,  that the slave should be co-heir with the son.

After a few days the master made a feast, and sent to his slave many dishes from his table. And the slave receiving the dishes that were sent him from his master, took of them what was sufficient for himself, and distributed the rest among his fellow-slaves. And his fellow-slaves rejoiced to receive the dishes, and began to pray for him, that he might find still greater favour with his master for having so treated them. His master heard all these things that were done, and was again greatly pleased with his conduct. And the master again calling; together his friends and his son, reported to them the slave's proceeding with regard to the dishes which he had sent him. And they were still more satisfied that the slave should become co-heir with his son.”

CHAPTER V.
“I said to you a little ago,” he answered, “that you were cunning and obstinate in asking explanations of the parables; but since you are so persistent, I shall unfold to you the meaning of the similitudes of the field, and of all the others that follow, that you may make them known to every one. Hear now,” he said, “and understand them.

The field is this world; and the Lord of the field is He who created, and perfected, and strengthened all things; [and the son is the Holy Spirit; ] and the slave is the Son of God; and the vines are this people, whom He Himself planted; and the stakes are the holy angels of the Lord, who keep His people together; and the weeds that were plucked out of the vineyard are the iniquities of God's servants; and the dishes which He sent Him from His able are the commandments which He gave His people through His Son; and the friends and fellow-councillors are the holy angels who were first created; and the Master's absence from home is the time that remains until His appearing.”

I said to him, “Sir, all these are great, and marvellous, and glorious things. Could I, therefore,” I continued, “understand them? No, nor could any other man, even if exceedingly wise. Moreover,” I added, “explain to me what I am about to ask you.” “Say what you wish,” he replied. “Why, sir,” I asked, “is the Son of God in the parable in the form of a slave?”

CHAPTER VI.
“Hear,” he answered: “the Son of God is not in the form of a slave, but in great power and might.” “How so, sir?” I said; “I do not understand.” “Because,” he answered, “God planted the vineyard, that is to say, He created the people, and gave them to His Son; and the Son appointed His angels over them to keep them; and He Himself purged away their sins, having suffered many trials and undergone many labours, for no one is able to dig without labour and toil. He Himself, then, having purged away the sins of the people, showed them the paths of life by giving them the law which He received from His Father. [You see,” he said, “that He is the Lord of the people, having received all authority from His Father. ] And why the Lord took His Son as councillor, and the glorious angels, regarding the heirship of the slave, listen.

The holy, pre-existent Spirit, that created every creature, God made to dwell in flesh, which He chose. This flesh, accordingly, in which the Holy Spirit dwelt, was nobly subject to that Spirit, walking religiously and chastely, in no respect defiling the Spirit; and accordingly, after living excellently and purely, and after labouring and co-operating with the Spirit, and having in everything acted vigorously and courageously along with the Holy Spirit, He assumed it as a partner with it. For this conduct of the flesh pleased Him, because it was not defiled on the earth while having the Holy Spirit.

He took, therefore, as fellow-councillors His Son and the glorious angels, in order that this flesh, which had been subject to the body without a fault, might have some place of tabernacle, and that it might not appear that the reward [of its servitude had been lost ], for the flesh that has been found without spot or defilement, i
n which the Holy Spirit dwelt, [will receive a reward ]. You have now the explanation of this parable also.”

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.html

[karmarie]

Gene, my post above is off topic, no need to reply.

Peace and love to you and yours too Gene.
Later.

[karmarie]

Ok Jay, i'll talk to you in private about this… (it's shamefull for a woman to chatter in an assembly)!!

[karmarie]

TK and Terrarica you are right as the bible says there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile).

But think; these 144'000 are sealed, it has to do with the tribulation, but doesn't nessesarilly seperate them in the end when the great crowd stand before the throne of God does it (?)

And Istari good post in regards to the chronological order of Rev and understanding of the symbolism. And Irene.

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It seems the new Earth and Heaven are one. So there is no seperation between people at all. And if you believe in Amillenialism then there is no confusion about some thousand year reign nor the firstfruits or resurrection or coming judgment, nor Satan being let lose to decieve the nations.

Amillenialism is expalined here:

http://www.bereancouncil.org/index.php?showtopic=100

Please read it (The link doesn't seem to be working from here, but if you copy and paste it into the address bar it works).

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I'm, quoting another man here and scripture:

“Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I will create, for I will create Jerusalem to be a delight and its people a joy. I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more. “Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed. They will build houses and dwell in them; they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit. No longer will they build houses and others live in them, or plant and others eat. For as the days of a tree, so will be the days of my people; my chosen ones will long enjoy the works of their hands. They will not toil in vain or bear children doomed to misfortune; for they will be a people blessed by Yahweh, they and their descendants with them. Before they call I will answer; while they are still speaking I will hear. The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent's food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain,” says Yahweh (Isaiah 65:17-25).

Isaiah writes that ‘the new heavens and the new earth’ will be created when the Kingdom comes upon the earth. When there is no longer any curse. And when the creation has been restored.

“And I, because of their actions and their imaginations, am about to come and gather all nations and tongues, and they will come and see my glory. “I will set a sign among them, and I will send some of those who survive to the nations–to Tarshish, to the Libyans and Lydians (famous as archers), to Tubal and Greece, and to the distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory among the nations. And they will bring all your brothers, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to Yahweh–on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels,” says Yahweh. “They will bring them, as the Israelites bring their grain offerings, to the temple of Yahweh in ceremonially clean vessels. And I will select some of them also to be priests and Levites,” says Yahweh. “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares Yahweh, “so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says Yahweh. “And they will go out and look upon the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; their worm will not die, nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind” (Isaiah 66:18-24).

Here Isaiah describes ‘the new heavens and the new earth’ being created following the rebellion and the battle of Armageddon.

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness (2 Peter 3:10:13).

The Apostle Peter connects the ‘new heaven and a new earth’ with the coming ‘Day of the Lord’ and ‘the home of righteousness’  Therefore, when the day of the Lord comes the ‘new heavens and the new earth’ will be created.

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”.

Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever (Revelation 21:1 –22:5).

 Therefore,  the ‘new heaven and the new earth’ will come at Christ return and will reign on earth for ever and ever.

                                                                                                   Richard H Perry

[karmarie]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 30 2011,11:32)

I am not taking anything away from Jesus wouldm't being a sinless servant make for a perfect Servant?

Bod, Jesus said to follow him, not someone else. A woman should follow her husband if he is a believer. But a man should follow Christ only who is the head. And God is the head of Christ.

[karmarie]

Quote (Stu @ April 30 2011,01:21)

karmarie You appear to have omitted the part about the unfortunate family values of Jesus. Stuart

Stuart, what were those?

[karmarie]

Gene,

I know what your saying.

This is sort of off topic but,

“2 Thessalonians 2:7…”For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only there is one who restrains now, until he is taken out of the way.”

It got me thinking to other things (the restrainer) which many believe to be the Holy Spirit and how in the last days it will be either diminished or removed from the earth and something just hasn't been right lately. Maybe it's just me, I don't know. But this is what I found on a Google search. I don't agree with a lot of what this man says. but took from it what could.

Quote; – “It is as if there is an aura that radiates from the body of every Christian in the world. And that aura is the literal hand of God reaching out and holding back evil.

So why is the earth becoming so filled with badness and why do I believe it is because the Holy Spirit's influence is subsiding?… I believe it is because there are just fewer and fewer truly born-again Christians.

Now, you may argue the point that there are folks getting saved and many churches growing faster than ever. Yes, that appears to be the case… Appearances can be very deceiving.

They view their salvation as if it were a ticket to Heaven. They think that, by saying a little prayer, their eternal destiny is sealed. But what they don't understand is that their words are empty because they didn't come from within the heart and soul of that person…  The prayer they said was a good prayer and God heard their prayer. But He is still God and He has not changed. He knows the heart of each of us. And He knows the difference between those who love Him and those who simply want something for nothing.

Remember when Jesus was hanging on the cross between the two thieves? One said to him, “If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.” But the other was repentant and asked Jesus to remember him when He came into his kingdom. Both were about to die. Neither had the opportunity to do any good thing on this earth, yet, Jesus told the second thief that he would be with Him in Paradise on that very day.

One went to Heaven and the other to hell. What made the difference? The one who simply wanted to be saved from dieing, and going to hell, ended up going there. The one who was ashamed of his sin, recognized his sinful condition as compared to that of Jesus, and was repentant, was told by Jesus that he was saved.

Today's churches seem to be filled more and more with people who want what the first thief wanted: To be saved and go to Heaven when they die.  

The poor folks in the first group live empty lives devoid of the Holy Spirit and His power. And, as this group grows in size while the other group gets smaller and smaller each day, we find that the influence of the Holy Spirit becomes weaker and weaker. And as His influence weakens, the influence of spiritual wickedness gains more and more power.

The Holy Spirit dwells within the body of truly born-again Christians. And there are fewer and fewer truly born-again Christians around with each passing day.” – Unquote.

http://www.mrkent.com/devotionals/devotions/whatishappening.htm

[karmarie]

And the 144'000 on earth are Jews.
The Gentiles are the great multitude in Heaven…(that's what it seems to me?)

[karmarie]

Rev 7:9
After these things I saw, and lo, a great multitude, which to number no one was able, out of all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne, and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands

Revelation 14:1-5
I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him a number, one hundred forty-four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.

The Multitude are in Heaven
144,000 are on Earth.

[karmarie]

JA, why be tested again? The judgment is final.

And if you believe in a thousand year millenium, what is the point in that? Only for satan to twice be let lose? It doesn't make sense to what scripture says. What about Matthew 25… And 2nd Peter 3?

*Edited, put wrong chapter.

[karmarie]

The 144,000 are Jews (which is what it say's) and there is a multitude in Heaven (which no one was able to number (thats not 144'000) and these ones in Heaven are from every nation, and tribe, and people, and tongue (this is a different group), and they are standing before the throne, and before the Lamb, in Heaven.

The 144'000 are first mentioned in Revelation

And then they are seen standing on Mount Zion…

Revelation 14:1-5
 I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him a number, one hundred forty-four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.

[karmarie]

JA/Istari (which one do you prefer?)

How do you know that the 144,000 aren't the ones who are given the Earth, and the rest aren't all in Heaven?

There is a multitude which no Man can count seen in Heaven.

*Rev 7:9(YLT)
After these things I saw, and lo, a great multitude, which to number no one was able, out of all nations, and tribes, and peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne, and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands

Where is your proof (and Irenes and BC&JWs and Terraricas) that 144'000 are in Heaven and the rest are on Earth?

If you believe and teach something, can you back it up?

Thanks.

[karmarie]

Wow Gene that is really interesting. Glad to hear your ok too. I hadn't seen you posting as much. The forum has got really quiet these days.

But OK… I remember when I was driven to read the bible… something just didn't seem right to me in what I was hearing people say. I was like “what about the Father?” “what about God?” I hear so much about Jesus but not God the Father. But I feel wrong thinking that too or saying it.

Ok I need to look at those verses later when I'm not so rushed.

[karmarie]

Irene, I think this is a really important topic that should be studied.
I would like to get hold of that book you speak about, might look in the Library.
I'm not sure of the book of Revelations because it's really hard to understand and piece it all together.
But the word's of Paul of the Man of sin and the falling away is what I would like to look at more closely.

[karmarie]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 30 2011,04:46)

Quote (karmarie @ April 28 2011,17:56) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 29 2011,04:42) Quote (karmarie @ April 27 2011,22:36) WJ, what is wrong with questioning the validity of (a part of) what the topic is about? If you actually read what I had posted then you will see that it is actually about the forefathers and what SCRIPTURE could be saying about it. (You call scripture spam?) Yes to post a ton of scriptures that are not related to the topic is “SPAM”. The topic is about the “Hypostatic Union”. It is not about them being right or wrong. There is no mention in your post of either the “Forefathers of the NT Church” or the “Hypostatic Union”. WJ My apologies then WJ. Yes please report it as spam if you want to. Thank you! I am not going to report it because I have been guilty of the same thing. More than likely this thread will eventually be off topic like every other thread but I guess it sort of bothered me that the first post here was not related to the subject. Sorry if I seemed a little harsh. Blessings to you! Keith

Thankyou for your forgiveness WJ.
I'm trying to stick to just one or two threads only so I will leave you alone here.

Thanks again
Blessings to you too.

[karmarie]

Gene, I haven't seen you in a while here, are you ok?
What you talkin about Gene? I don't quite get you.
What sits in the temple of God IYO?

[karmarie]

Quote (kerwin @ April 30 2011,01:02)

Karmarie, What did God design marriage for?  It seems that me that he legislated it for the purpose of having and raising children.  Reproduction will be unnecessary in a place where humans live forever.    I am sure angels have relationships among one another.    A couple may very well stick together for eternity even though they are not married.  That would be their choice and they would make that choice with joy and in accordance with God’s will because they would know God loves and would not bring any harm to them without a loving reason. Trust Jesus when he teaches us that we will be like the angels in that we neither marry nor are given in marriage, trust in God.   What they teach us is best for us though it may sting in the short term. Here is a piece on relationship types.  I believe some of these relationship types will not exist after the age of Judgement. To tie this in to the topic of this thread.  If a man in a relationship with a woman is part of the 144,000 and the woman is not; does that disolve their relationship?   A secound related question is whether it is righteous to disolve a righteous relationship?

Kerwin,

This I quoted on another thread from a site.
I don't agree with everything that they say but some thing's I do.
Example this piece is another view on the matter:

When Matthew’s and Luke’s records are combined, a clearer image emerges that make Jesus’ words more clearly, “For in the resurrection, those who are counted worthy to attain that age, they neither marry nor are given in marriage at that world, nor can they die any more, for they are equal to the angels.”

Through Matthew’s and Luke’s combination, we can find two answers:
First, who neither marry nor are given in marriage?  
Second, in where they neither marry nor are given in marriage?  
The answers are: first, Jesus pointed to those who were saved and resurrected from death;
Second, in that new world they will not marry.  
But Jesus did not deny there are marital lives in that new world. “He (Christ) who gave Eve to Adam as a helpmeet, performed His first miracle as a marriage festival.”

Just as on the sixth day of the creation, God matched Adam and Eve as husband and wife, and then they entered the new world as a loving couple, who never marry nor are given in marriage after that.

God’s match-making is far superior to the earthly marriage.  Everyday people marry and are given in marriage, giving birth, divorce, and die because this is a sin-sick fallen world.  
But the world to come it is wonderful and perfect for each has his or her own spouse. All live in pairs, faithful and loving each other forever and ever. God would have joined them together or God let them select their ideal spouse according to His will before they enter into the new world.
There will be no misunderstanding; sorrow, hatred, quarrel, and neither death nor divorce in heaven.  
Therefore, in such condition, Jesus simply proclaimed that the saints who have been saved and resurrected from death will “neither marry nor are given in marriage in that world,” because what God has joined together, let not man separate.

http://english.sdaglobal.org/research/evermar.htm

[karmarie]

Quote (betweenchristendomandjws @ April 29 2011,06:32)

I hope angels can materialize on Earth again   . I doubt there's a scriptural reference for it though.

BC&JW,
I looked but cant find anything. What do the JWs teach on this? (Are you a JW yet)?

[karmarie]

Stuart,

Matt4:19
Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. And they straightway left [their] nets, and followed him.

Matt 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

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