Heaven net would be an assembly don't you think?

Stuart, Quote:Jesus and womenFrom the beginning of the early Christian church, starting with Jesus, women were important members of the movement. The examples of the manner of Jesus reveal his attitudes toward women and show repeatedly how he liberated and affirmed women. Both complementarians and egalitarians see Jesus as treating women with…[Read more]

Can be read here,http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/shepherd.htmlThe Shepherd of Hermas (Greek: Ποιμήν του Ερμά; Hebrew: רועה הרמס‎; sometimes just called The Shepherd) is a Christian literary work of the second century, considered a valuable book by many Christians, and considered canonical scripture by some of the early Church fathers -…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 29 2011,11:06)Quote (karmarie @ April 28 2011,22:03)Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2011,15:05)Quote (karmarie @ April 26 2011,10:08)OK. Thanks for that Bod.So are you still a Muslim? Do you still believe that Christians and Muslims believe the same thing?(Title of the thread).Muslims and Christians believe that submission…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 29 2011,04:42)Quote (karmarie @ April 27 2011,22:36)WJ, what is wrong with questioning the validity of (a part of) what the topic is about?If you actually read what I had posted then you will see that it is actually about the forefathers and what SCRIPTURE could be saying about it. (You call scripture spam?)Yes to…[Read more]

That was in regard by the way to this;Quote (Stu @ April 29 2011,01:17)karmarieDon't mean to butt in, but just curious about this.  BD you might like to answer as well.  Is islam correct about this?Sura 4:34 Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the s…[Read more]

It depends what you are supposed to be obeying them about Stuart. There is something a bit similar in the Bible.You know the ones:1 Timothy 2:12But I don't permit a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in quietness. 1 Corin 14:35let your wives keep silent in the assemblies, for it has not been permitted for them to…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ April 26 2011,15:05)Quote (karmarie @ April 26 2011,10:08)OK. Thanks for that Bod.So are you still a Muslim? Do you still believe that Christians and Muslims believe the same thing?(Title of the thread).Muslims and Christians believe that submission in God is the way to Salvation.Hi Bod.Going back on some earlier posts and…[Read more]

WJ, maybe I understood wrong, when you said 'forefathers' do you mean the Early Church Fathers?

All, I realise I was a bit over the top and I apologise for making a public spectacle of myself again.Here is what I will do; I will no longer involve myself in any personal issues or take sides publically. (sort your own problems out).All I will do is report any abusive posts – if I see them – and leave it at that. That is what we are supposed to…[Read more]

WJ, what is wrong with questioning the validity of (a part of) what the topic is about?If you actually read what I had posted then you will see that it is actually about the forefathers and what SCRIPTURE could be saying about it. (You call scripture spam?)The Church Fathers were in disagreement about MANY things.The SCRIPTURES are what is given…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 28 2011,13:12)Why do you post something in this thread that is not about the topic?WJWHAT DID THE FOREFATHERS BELIEVE, thats PART of the title of the thread. You are trying to investigate something using the forefathers as proof.I can read WJ?

I realise that this thread is not about how reliable the 'forefathers' were, that could make another thread, but I just have to say: how trustworthy are their writings? The Bible warns us about trusting in man. Israel’s “fathers” often led God’s people into idolatry. So have the church fathers of Roman Catholicism led their people into idolatr…[Read more]

Kerwin, thats an interesting thing. It does say the saved ones will be like the Angels of Heaven. Thanks for that thought.

Time out Istari is the best thing.

So Kerwin, do you believe so many will go to Heaven and so many will be on a paradise earth (after the resurection)?

Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 27 2011,12:43)The ones killed now have no pain and suffering and continue on in another life. So you must be shedding the tear for the survivors! Just a thought. IMO, TKThats a good point, I guess thats true, its the ones left behind who are still suffering.

Thats my son exactly, Your right too, only God draws people, so does love, I learnt that when I was debating Bod. When it started getting nasty, it was time to walk away. When it was going good was when we were nice to each other. A debate can become neverending, with the same points over and over again, and in the end, does anyone 'win'?You know…[Read more]

You reminded me of my son, in the way you wrote.

SF,I agree with that. I guess I have toughened up now. I wasnt used to the internet. I hadnt been on any forums before. I never got a computer till 5 years ago. And I do take things hard, Im quite sensitive to things especially personal attacks on myself and my relationship with God.But God helps in the end. I believe in God, and thats the best…[Read more]