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[julieannz]

Nick, again once the temple was destroyed the Jews no longer were able to make animal scrafices, they had to make them only in the Temple. also all the scriptures you are quoting to me are from the NT. On top of that, the deciples, even Jesus were preaching the Kingdom of God. The message they preached was not Jesus dying for our sins. That didn't get preached till after Jesus death. So how and why did the message get changed from preaching the Kingdom of God to having to get saved through Jesus dying on the cross? The message totaly changed. When and why did it change? It went from spreading the good news of the Kingdom of God to over night being your condemmed to Hell and can't have a relationship with G_d unless you accept Jesus. When did they start preaching having to accept Jesus death instead of the Kingdom of God? I know the Kingdom of God is not preached now, because I have been a quote “Christian” for over 40 yrs and involved in many different demonations.

[julieannz]

The Bible says G_D is our Saviour, so my point is why did we need a saviour to come in the form of G_d/man to be a saviour? Where in the OT does it say we can not have a relationship with G_D without someone dying? The Jewish poeple had a relationship with G_d throughout history, and recievced forgiveness of sin by simply asking for it and repenting.

[julieannz]

Thanks Nick I think you are trying to answer my question but I feel you are talking in circles and not telling me anything. I guess I really am not even asking for an anwer, I at this moment in time, believe in G_d. The G_D of Abraham, Issac, and Moses. I don't believe in 3 separate Gods making up one God. Gen 2:4, Psa 11:7, I don't believe we needed or need a saviour, the OT says G_D is our Saviour Isa 43:3, Provider Gen 22:14,Shepard Psa 23, Creator, Protector , Judge Gen 18:25, Healer Isa 61:1, Sanctifier Lev 20:8, Shield Psa 3:3, StrengthPsa 22:19, RockIsa 30:29, and KING Psa5:2 and oh!!OUR SAVIOUR Isa 43:3 G_D is everything I need. I believe in the OT laws and that I have a relationship with G_d, forgiveness of my sin by simply asking for forgiveness and REPENTING. I love and worship the Great I Am Gen2:4. Why do I need somone to do the things G_D is already doing for me?

[julieannz]

I understand all the stuff about Jesus forgiving our sins and such. What I am questioning is if in the OT people were able to go to G_d directly and ask for forgiveness of sins. They didn't even need to use animal scracfices to get forgiven. They were not allowd to do animal scracfices except in the Temple once the Temple was destroyed no other blood scrafices were given. So obviously the poeple were getting forgiveness of sins simply by asking for it and repenting. So I asking, where and why was it necessary to have Jesus die for our sins when we were already able to get forgiveness of sins. Also in the NT it teaches that we still sin and need to ask for forgiveness of sin. Getting “saved” doesn't make it so you never have to ask for forgiveness of sin. And If having to have Jesus die for us so we could have a relationship with G_d and get forgiveness of sin, than why does the OT tell us to ask for forgivenss of our sin, repent and G_d forgives us? What I am asking is why was it necessary for Jesus to die for us? It seems to me, Christianity just subsituted Jesus in the place of priests, now the only way to G_d is through Jesus. We could go directly to G_d before Jesus died.

[julieannz]

thank you i have been searching the internet for songs that praise G_d and not just Jesus. I will check them out thank you.
ja

[julieannz]

“Constantius also had much of the NT altered. And it is proven he didn't accept Christ until he was on his death bed, so he was never a quote Christian.

[julieannz]

you know what i have a problem with? Jesus came preaching the kingdom of God. He sent his deciples out to preach the good news. Now His deciples didn't know at this point Jesus was going to die, and be ressurected and be our Saviour.  So they weren't out preaching having to believe in Jesus, His death and ressuration. Yet all sudden the message changed from being about the Kingdom of God to being all about believing in Jesus, His death, His ressurection. Not being able to have a relationship with G_d without going through Jesus. It sounds alot to me like Jesus got put in the position of our modern day Catholic priests. You can't forgiveness of sin unless you go confess to the priest. Yet before Jesus the OT shows over and over again all you have to do is ask G_d for forgiveness, repent, and your sins are forgiven. You didn't even have to give a animal scrafice. In fact once the Temple was destroyed they couldn't do blood scracfices. So now no Jewish person throughout history has gotten forgiveness for thier sins? King David sinned and got forgiveness for his sin. Where did the idea that we can't get forgiveness of sin, or have a relationship with G_d without Jesus come from? I see Jesus taking first place over G_d. Nothing is done except through Jesus, Pray His name, get saved in His name, do mircales in His name etc etc. Yet He said He didn't do anything except through the Father. G_d healed, did mircales, forgave sins, delivered his people, etc before Jesus. I don't see in the OT (i haven't read every word of it yet) where it says we lost our relationship with G_d because Adam and Eve sinned. I see pushishment for the sin. And since Jesus did His thing I don't see sin being less, if anything the world is more sinful.

[julieannz]

Well from what I have been reading and studying lately a group of people got together hashed around what books would be accepted and which ones wouldn't and there is our Bible. I have not read anywhere that God told this men which books to choose or even to choose just certian ones. Also I have been reading alot of different poeples opionions and supposedly proof that the Bible has been altered (so perverted) many times throughout history. Specialy the NT. Constantian in the 4th century is renowned for having scripture changed to fit his beliefs. I am having a real problem with the NT right now.I have found many contradictions by paul in his writings. I am still praying and searching out the truth on this matter.:)

[julieannz]

I read very little of it also. I got the feeling that it was not truth. There are other books out also that I have been exploring that I wonder about the authencity of them. The Gospel of the Holy Twelve. Now the Gospel Of The Nazirenes is fun to read. Being that I am vegan and fight for animal rights this book shows Jesus as very compassionate and fighting for animal rights. A side of Jesus we never see in the NT books. The biggest problem I have with any of these new discoveries is how totaly different they read. Like some one else in here said, maybe it is the translation, but they do sound anything like the books we are used to reading. But than I am not sure right now how acurate the traditiional NT really is.???

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