Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 02 2013,10:38)Okay jb,I had the time to check out the other scriptures you listed.  We can eliminate Luke 11:50 and Hebrews 4:3, since they talk about events SINCE the foundation of the world, and not BEFORE the foundation of the world.John 17:5, 2 Timothy 1:9, and Ephesians 1:4 all have the Greek word “pro”, which means…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,11:38)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,09:47)The glory that Jesus had existed WITH GOD. Now, I am not “just saying that.” I get my understanding from the fact that Jesus NEVER says “give me BACK the glory..”. Would it not make more sense for Him to say that, IF He in fact DID HAVE it in the beginning Himself? PLEASE…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,10:36)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,08:31)Here is your FIRST mistake!!Yes “running” is present tense, BUT “saw”, which is THE VERB is in past tense!!Far from being my “mistake”, it is EXACTLY what I'VE been trying to show YOU all this time!  “Existing” is present tense, BUT “did not consider”, “grasped”, “emptied”,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,10:15)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,07:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:39)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:40)Does Elijah exist ON EARTH right now?  YES or NO?No!!Does Elijah exist in heaven right now?  YES or NO?YES..I believe so.So then if Elijah right now exists in h…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2013,10:11)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 29 2013,07:51)Taking on the form of a slave..AS OPPOSED TO..”being equal with God”!!So in your mind, it doesn't make more sense that “morphe of God” is in contrast to “morphe of slave” – seeing that the same exact word is used in contrast?Interesting.and yet..you still have not explained…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,10:26)Are you sure?  What do the words “I had” usually mean?  If the BEING Jesus Christ is talking about “the glory I HAD”, then it's logical that the BEING Jesus Christ is talking about a glory that the BEING Jesus Christ actually HAD at some point in the past.(BTW, the actual tense is “I was having”, not “I h…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,10:04)You will be persuaded by proof, huh?  Okay.  First of all, I'm not trying to get you to CHANGE the word “existing” to “existed”.  The word doesn't need to be CHANGED to “existed” in order to realize that the statement as a whole conveys a PAST occurrence, and “was existing” is implied from the rest of the st…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:55)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:58)John 6:46 (NIV)46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father.  I could go on..this is one verse where it seems ALL the translations agree..they ALL say that no man has seen God EXCEPT Jesus!!Okay…… honest mistake.  You are h…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:42)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:47)He was made a man..not “in the likeness of man.”So although existing (present tense word conveying a past tense occurrence) in the form of a man, he hadn't yet been made in the LIKENESS of a man?He was not “in the form of man.” While being a man..God had not yet made Him with…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:39)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:40)Does Elijah exist ON EARTH right now?  YES or NO?No!!Does Elijah exist in heaven right now?  YES or NO?YES..I believe so.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:38)Taking on the form of a slave AS OPPOSED TO what, jb?  The word “CONTRAST” conveys something AS OPPOSED TO something else.  So since you agree that Paul was making a CONTRAST between “form of God” and “form of a slave”, you must then agree that Jesus took on the form of a slave AS OPPOSED TO the form of G…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,08:27)So even though Superman is just a made up comic book figure, the analogy still works.  If, while existing in the form of Superman, he emptied himself and took on the form of a regular old human being, he stopped being “Superman”, because there was no longer anything “super” about him.So I can honestly say:…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 29 2013,04:22)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 27 2013,06:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:13)Okay.  Now tell me if there is a difference in MEANING between the following two statements:1.  Obama, although he was existing as the President of the U.S., came under scrutiny concerning his U.S. citizenship.2.  Obama, although existing…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:56)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 24 2013,14:04)Paul either said “existing” or “was existing”. He did not say both.If Marty and Kerwin “acknowledged that” Paul states Jesus WAS existing in the form of God..then they are wrong, too.John 14:9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a l…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:45)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 24 2013,13:59)It says no man has seen God EXCEPT Jesus!!No it doesn't.  Jesus, as a man, said he HAD seen God.  Yet we know from many scriptures that no man has EVER seen God.That means Jesus didn't see God while he was a man.Yes it does!!John 6:46 (KJV)Not that any man hath seen the F…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:42)So Paul was telling us that in order for Jesus to begin his ministry, he emptied himself, took on the form of a slave, and was made in the likeness of a human being?In what likeness did he exist prior to beginning his ministry?Did you not read my post?He was made a man..not “in the likeness of man.”You see,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:40)Does Elijah exist ON EARTH right now?  YES or NO?No!!But..he still exists!! Therefor, when he comes back, it will not be a preexistent being..it will be the EXISTENT being..Elijah!!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:38)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 24 2013,13:34)This is the problem. You do not even recognize that Jesus at all points was still in the “form of God.”The problem is that you don't recognize Paul was making a huge CONTRAST between the form of God and the form of a slave in this case.OF COURSE I do!! Paul made it clear.…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:19)Quote (jb2u @ Sep. 24 2013,13:01)It doesn't say directly what He emptied Himself of, BUT we know it was in order to take on the role of a servant.And do you agree with t8's logical point that the most likely thing he emptied himself of is the thing immediately aforementioned?For example:  Clark Kent,…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 25 2013,11:13)Okay.  Now tell me if there is a difference in MEANING between the following two statements:1.  Obama, although he was existing as the President of the U.S., came under scrutiny concerning his U.S. citizenship.2.  Obama, although existing as the President of the U.S., came under scrutiny concerning his U.…[Read more]