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    To me it seems that Satan first sinned in the Garden of Eden when lying to Eve and making her go against the will of YHWH. Ezekiel 28:11-19, is at first about the king of Tyre, but to me it seems to be about the one who was working behind this king, the Satan.Code Sample 11 The word of the LORD came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament…[Read more]

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    George, For the most part I agree with you. But aren't the Jews, these Israelites the first fruits, the people who are Jews in spirit? It is through faith that we can be children/descendants of Abraham.

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    Marty?Quote Galatians 3:6-9just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be bless…[Read more]

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    igorwulff replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 14 years, 7 months ago

    Mike wasn't the next chapter a continuation of two of the three Angels, if I remember correctly? The Bible states that YHWH is spirit, that he is no man nor a son of man, and that he is the invisible God.Genesis 18:22 – The men turned away and went toward SodomGenesis 19:1 – The two angels arrived at Sodom in the eveningWhat is your opinion about…[Read more]

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    Gene, what about Jude 1:9 and that dispute between Michael and Satan?

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    The word used in most and probably all cases where it says that someone is getting worshiped in the NT is proskuneo:1. to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence 2. among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence 3. in the NT by kneeling or…[Read more]

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    Gene,Peter was at that very moment opposing Yeshua, so he was called a Satan, perhaps because at that moment he was doing what Satan wanted. Peter is of course a great brother of us, and we all make mistakes, he really loved Yeshua and didn't want him to die and didn't really understood at that moment, what needed to be done.But Satan is a fallen…[Read more]

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    Verses like these really tell a lot about who Yeshua was and is in relation to YHWH.Quote Hebrews 5:7-10who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, 8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience…[Read more]

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    Hey JustAskin! :)Well I was trying to say, and it might be possibly that I interpret passages differently then you sometimes, but definetly from JW and TT, that of-course the last one is true. :;): The thing Paul is trying to say is, if I remember correctly is that we should have the same humble attitude. We shouldn't be like Satan who had a lot of…[Read more]

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    How do you think about Philippians 2:6?(NIV)Who, being in very nature God,      did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,a. Or in the form of(NKJV)who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with GodI think that in this vers the NIV translated it rather wel… Yeshua is the Image of God, to be ca…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 16 2010,09:57)Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 15 2010,16:41)Hi TT, The Spirit of the living God indwelled Jesus and he is the fountain for that eternal life for men.Jn7 Come to him as talking about theoretical stuff just makes you a philosopher.You can know the God of jesus but you cannot know a committee god.You can know…[Read more]

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    Quote 1 Corinthians 1:10Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s h…[Read more]

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    No I didn't, WJ. :;):Quote 1 John 5:11And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

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    Hmm.. wel lets see1 John 4:7Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.1 John 5:11And…[Read more]

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    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 16 2010,08:47)And your “God is your throne” mistranslation has no validity in grammar. It has no validity in context either. The whole passage is about the excellence of the Son.thinkerAbout the grammer.. I'm looking into it.  :;):

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    Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 16 2010,08:09)Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 16 2010,07:05)TT, Quote houtos1) this, these, etc.Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 356AV — this 157, these 59, he 31, the same 28, this man 25, she 12, they 10, misc 34“This (Jesus Christ) is the true God and eternal life.” So what's your point?thinkerWell it sho…[Read more]

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    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.that we mag know HIM… The Son of God has given/gives us understanding and let us know who the Father is:Quote John 17:3And this is…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 16 2010,08:19)Quote (igorwulff @ Feb. 15 2010,15:11)Either God is saying that Yeshua is the greatest of Creation (which excludes YHWH, because he isn't created)…IgorJesus is also excluded from creation…All things came into being through Him, and “**APART FROM HIM NOTHING CAME INTO BEING** that has come into…[Read more]

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    Well at this moment I'm thinking of two things, Thinker,Either God is saying that Yeshua is the greatest of Creation (which excludes YHWH, because he isn't created)… or the vers is mistranslated and should be, will require a bit of further studying. God is your throne forever and ever

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    TT, Quote houtos1) this, these, etc.Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 356AV — this 157, these 59, he 31, the same 28, this man 25, she 12, they 10, misc 34

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