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didnt mean anything bad by this post cindy and genes story is similar to mine im sorry if it sounded wrong it wasnt meant to be I too came from the RCC!

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I really appreciate seeing fellow christians talk about their faith thanks Cindy, Gene

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Gene i wanted to add according to scripture the only way that continued was laying of hands if we saw tongues of flames now it would be a miracle and everyone wouldnt need faith! in each instance that tongues of flame occurred it was only to show that it had happened as I stated in the previous post. in Acts chapter 8:14- 17 we see that you can believe and not be indwelled with the Holy Spirit without laying of hands and I said Sauls own conversion is a good enough account to show that it was Jesus who stood before Saul on the roadside to damascus who told him to seek out Ananias it was Jesus who mentions to Ananias that Saul is a chosen vessel why didnt Jesus save him without Ananias? even Heb shows us the change between the faith then and the promise through Christ 11:40 and 12:1,2 Gods limits are not in question the only thing that is a question that we need to answer is what scripture says about salvation is it a laid out plan as he did with the ten commandments and the promise of Jesus? or is it something that we can pick up a chick tract and read what it says and say the prayer at the end and consider ourselves saved. because somewhere along the line thats just what has happened!

[iamleast]

yes that what i was gettiing at Gene Rom 8:9 says it best and  those born of spirit do know it!!

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can i ask you do you practice the laying of hands to heal the sick and if you do does it always work? If we question who God saves then we have become judgers of hearts and not bringing hope through Christ who is the author and finisher of each christians faith.

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i wanted to ad to this post Luke 11:13 made me think of something else too Acts chapter 4:24- 31 these are saved believers ! Sauls own conversion is a good enough account to show that if Jesus who stood before Saul on the roadside to damascus told him to seek out Ananias then what other way is there? it was Jesus who mentions to Ananias that Saul is a chosen vessel why didnt Jesus save him without Ananias?

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Luke 11:13 is just what I do every time I lead someone in Prayer to Christ you seem to think this verse deals with the new way! Think of this verse then tell me you can say thats true John 14:6 thats also why Paul makes it clear to give honor to Jesus in verse 2 of Heb 12 we are not the savers; we are children of God he hears us (1Cr 2:11-14)!   I dont see a diminishing of Gods children what I see is false doctrine in salvation  Heb 11:6 teaches us to seek him dilligently and he will reward us!!! what does he reward us with?? I believed in God when i was 8 years old I read the childrens bible every day was brought up in the RCC i just couldnt understand the repetitiveness of prayer the RCC does and what was truth I believed in Jesus but not as the RCC portrayed him! if faith was believing in something that we couldnt see then why is there so many statues to look at? it was all phony to me! 7 years passed and I went to live with my sister for the summer one day I went with my brother in law to his church and that was when I found God asking Jesus into my life as my Lord and Saviour  (the pastor laying hands on me). There is nothing like what happened to me that day I think about Heb 6:4.5 and ask how can anyone who knows this walk away if Rom 14 speaks about those weak in Faith then truthfully who is weak in faith who has the Holy Spirit!!  there is no way anyone who is born of God would not want to share this with others that is every christians HOPE that is why there will never be a diminishing of christians!!

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Hi i registered here because of this post Acts is the foundation for our understanding how one recieves the indwelling of the Holy Spirit Acts 2:3 and 11;15 shows us 2 ocassions where the Holy Spirit was seen as tongues of flame descending in each case it was to show that it had happened first time was the circumcision the second the gentiles in acts 8:14- 17 we see the shift from miraculous tongues of flame to laying of hands even Sauls own conversion shows us in Acts 9 that standing in front of Jesus believing in him there he wasnt saved according to Rom 8:9 he wasnt saved until he met up with Ananias who laid hands on him. Anyone can believe in Jesus i did when i was 8 years old , but i did not find him until i was 15 years old if we look at Heb 11 we see the foundation for Faith what people dont see is the last verse 11:40 and the beginning of chapter 12 verse 1,2 if you can understand what it means to be made perfect John 17:23  then you might understand what these 2 verses are getting at and Pauls sums it up with verse 2 to establish that it is Jesus who is the author and finisher of our faith to make clear that it is not a self absorbed egotistical delusion that Jesus is his Lord. IDK how this new way has come about where people can just say that they believe in him and consider themselves saved (is it arrogance or just misguidance) without ever experiencing truthful salvation the bible shows us clearly that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit does not go without one knowing (Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30, Rom 8:16, Heb 10:15) these are a few of the many verses in here anyways laying of hands is the only way one receives salvation unless you can honestly say you saw tongues of flame descend on you (that would be a miracle)!!!

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