Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 4 months ago
Jodi,
You stated that I “treat the bible, just picking out what you want so it fits your doctrine while not applying the rest”. Let’s examine who actually does that.
In John 1:2 the word “He” is used to refer to “the Word” in John 1:1 indicating a being. So let’s now read John 1:1-3 as it is written. “In the beginning was (He) the Word and (He)…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Why is Jesus called the second Adam if you say he came from Adam??? in the forum Truth or Tradition 4 years, 4 months ago
Jesus is never called the second Adam in scripture. He is called the last Adam and the Second Man. Very important and significant distinctions.
“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.” 1Co 15:45
“The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from h…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 4 months ago
Hi Jodi,
You said “The word of God is God, he and his words are one and the same thing”. So God “was made flesh, and dwelt among” (John 1:14). So Jesus was God and Man. I knew you would eventually acknowledge the truth.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 4 months ago
Jodi,
“Jesus Christ the faithful witness” is indeed “the first begotten from the dead”, “God having raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption”, and gave Him “the sure mercies of David”, an eternal throne, Jesus becoming “the firstfruits of them that slept”, “For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection o…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 4 months ago
Hi Proclaimer,
Thanks for drawing my attention to the fact you don’t teach that the Word is the Holy Spirit. My post should have been directed to Edj.
Cheers.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 4 months ago
Proclaimer,
To say the FATHER is Spirit and the WORD is Spirit and the HOLY SPIRIT is Spirit is simply stating they share the same nature. It does not mean the WORD is the HOLY SPIRIT. Men and Women are humans. They share the same nature but Men are not therefore Women. Together they are MAN(kind) in the image and likeness of ELOHIM. The FATHER…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Hi Edj,
I am a bit disappointed with your response. If you had read my post correctly you would have noticed I never said the word “He” was in John 1:1, But it was in chapter 1. LightenUp is correct.
In regard to God being Spirit, Jesus said “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Edj,
I use the KJV. The quotes were simply to show there are various translations of the Greek. I don’t need to change the words of scripture. I take them at their plain meaning under the inspiration of the Spirit who reveals the truth concerning God and the WORD. Those who read for the “WORD” in the first verses of John as meaning “Mind or Plan…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Proclaimer,
Question: How does one know Him that is true and that they are in Him that is True? By being in (soaked in) His Son Jesus Christ.
John 1:18
Greek interlinear New Testament – “Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε; μονογενὴς Θεὸς,…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Hi Carmel,
Eternal Life is that life that is everlasting and is with God. It is predominantly associated with Jesus Christ, who is the one through whom Eternal life comes, God gifting it to those who hear the voice of Jesus and receive Him. Jesus is the only one of whom it is said He is “that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was m…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Gene, “There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judges another?” (James 4:12)
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Hi Proclaimer,
You stated that the way you are interpreting 1 John 5:20 is the only way it can be read. This is apparently not so. The commentator Albert Barnes said this about that verse: “There has been much difference of opinion in regard to this important passage; whether it refers to the Lord Jesus Christ, the immediate antecedent, or to a m…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Dear oh dear Gene, how confused you are. You cannot even properly or correctly read other’s posts nor follow proper scriptural hermeneutics. What a shame.
Added to which your constant berating and castigating speaks loudly of what spirit you are of.
Further discussion with you is of no profit.
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Gene,
A dangerous ground would be that which the Scribes and Pharisees stood on who sat Moses’ seat. To them Jesus said, when they asked him ‘Are we blind also?’, If you were blind, you should have no sin: but now you say, We see; therefore your sin remains”. You present yourself in posts as having a high degree of discernment and knowledge…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Gene,
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why behold the mote that is in your brother’s eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye? Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull out the mote out of your eye…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Praise, glory and honour be to Christ Jesus, “the brightness of God’s glory, and the express image of his person”, “the Word of Life”, that “eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested“ in flesh and blood and was “seen and heard” and “looked upon” and was “touched”, the “Son of God” that has come “and has given us an understa…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
This text has been used to prove that God is not a man “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?” (Numbers 23:19).
Tragically that interpretation is again taken out of context and miss the meaning of the text.…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Re: 1 Corinthians 8:6 and Mark 12:29:
To interpret that 1 Corinthians 8:6 teaches that One God is the Father to the exclusion of Christ Jesus is to argue “One Lord Jesus Christ” means Jesus Christ is Lord to the exclusion of the Father. Further if Jesus is the One Lord isn’t “Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:“ (Mark 12:29) telling us…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 5 months ago
Hi Jodi,
All see there was One who was prophesied to come, would be a man, a root and offspring of David, a righteous Branch and a King, the seed of Abraham, born of a woman, born under the law, the righteous branch, the arm of the Lord, a Priest after the order of Melchizedek who was like unto the son of God. That “since by man came death, by m…[Read more]
Pilgrim replied to the topic Born and begotten in the forum Scriptural Teachings 4 years, 6 months ago
Christ is “far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church”.
It was fitting that He should be sent by the Father, the Creator of all thing…[Read more]
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