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    I don’t know how many people here are aware of what recently happened with Kenneth Copeland Ministries and the Pope.

    However, to make a long story short, Kenneth Copeland, at a conference of over 10,000 leaders, introduced the Pope, and requested we all happily go back and join the Roman Catholic Church, and put our difference aside in the name of unity!

    Here is a link to a video, with Doug Batchelor analyzing what is being said, step by step: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kgxEvIDoGs

    This should truly bother us. Is this the last day great falling away?
    Is this the last days where “even the very elect might be deceived?
    Is this the “apostasy” that the Bible is really referring to?
    Has it actually begun to where we can see it now?

    I encourage anyone who comes across this post, to take 42 minutes to listen to this video. You very eternal future is at stake here!!!!

    And even more scary, if you don’t see what all the fuss is about, then you are on the “wide path that leads to destruction” and you don’t even know it! For those of you that see it that way, it had better hurry up and wake up.

    I, personally, think we have less than 2 years before The Lamb of God opens up the 6th Seal, and I guarantee you, you will NOT want to be stuck on the earth for the next 3½ years of the Great Tribulation, and hope to make it through with your head still attached to your shoulders and not have taken the mark of the Beast upon your hand or forehead.

    Time is short, very short!

    #777288

    What about these verses? How do you explain these? This is words that Jesus spoke, and it seems very clear, and was not covered in the text above…

    This is referring to the Parable of the Talents:

    Mat 25:30 And cast ye out the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

    Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.

    I need an explanation for these verses, because these contradict everything else.

    #782089

    Let’s not forget that the Father shares the throne with the Son, so it once again makes sense that the “sharing” thing is going on here.

    #782001

    We don’t want to forget that Jesus said to His disciples, “If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.”
    Jesus is a reflection of the Father, does the will of His Father, but of course, that didn’t make him equal to the Father or that of God himself.
    So, even the first verse, the way it is written, with that understanding, makes sense. God was manifest in the flesh, through Jesus. After all, didn’t the Father create all things “through” Jesus. I would think that having Jesus as a perfect reflection of the Father, was a good plan?!

    #777283

    t8 says:
    February 20, 2014 at 11:59 pm

    Thanks for your reply and words of wisdom.
    I would further like to add that Adam and Eve were barred from the Tree of Life by Cherubim with flaming sword. The reason was that if man ate of that tree (after they sinned), they would live forever as sinners. Obviousness God spared mankind that fate and obviously, man does not have eternal existence by default.
    (Genesis 3:21-24)

    I wish to add to t8’s comment…

    What was missed here was that if man had eaten of the Tree of Life, and sinned, he would have had eternal life, and God would NOT be able to destroy their soul in the Lake of Fire!

    That is why now the Tree of Life is in heaven. When those who have accepted what Jesus did for us on the cross, we have earned the right to eat of that Tree. Those that do not accept Jesus, do NOT have access to the Tree of Life, and cannot eat from it.

    What this means is that IF man had been allowed to eat of the Tree of Life in their sinful nature, God COULD NOT destroy their souls in the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire was created to punish Satan and the angels that rebelled against God Almighty. Satan and the angels were created as eternal beings. They will be punished for all eternity in the Lake of Fire. We all have heard it taught that God never intends for “us” to go there, but it was prepared for Satan. So, remember, IF we were made as eternal beings, we would be punished eternally too!

    God, in His mercy, did not desire for any man to be punished eternally, and did not allow man to become immortal until we accepted eternal life by accepting what His Son did for us on the cross of Calvary.

    #777281

    Just a followup to what I wrote just a bit ago…

    1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
    1Co 15:54 But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
    (I believe the “Death” referred to in the previous line MUST be the Second Death).

    You see, we are mortal, until we choose life, which equals immortality. The Book of Life, that we all want our names in, tells us that those who do not get their names in it, get the Second Death.

    When we are born, we are mortal. When we are born again, we have chosen immortality, getting our names in the Book of Life.

    Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed;

    God commands us right here, in His Law, to “CHOOSE LIFE”! Make good choices, and that one is to choose life.

    I pray that people that read this post, and this teaching, have and “ear to hear” what the scriptures are truly trying to tell us.

    #777279

    My reply to Anastas…

    What has really struck me the hardest is that even John 3:16 states a choice, either “perish” or “life”. Perishing doesn’t give the thought of eternal punishment. Plus, reviewing John 3:16, Jesus says that by accepting what He did, you can receive “eternal life”.

    This clearly implies, (if that is possible), that one does NOT have eternal life prior to accepting Jesus as your savior. (By the way, what are we being “saved” from? Perishing in the Lake of Fire).

    So, if one does not have eternal life to start with, there surely is a Second Death, which is the Lake of Fire.

    Satan and the angels that followed Lucifer, were already created as eternally existent. God created the Lake of Fire for punishment for Satan and the angels that rebelled against God, NOT for mankind.

    So, if a wicked man/woman refuses the free gift of salvation, he has also chosen to refuse to have eternal life. If one chooses to refuse life, than one has chosen to perish, and be thrown into the Lake of Fire at the end of the age, where their soul will “perish”. This is truly sad, but God will not allow such a soul, with free will, to enter heaven. To me, once again, this seems that justice is carried out, and God is merciful, and will not allow a soul to be tormented forever and ever for sin he committed in this short life. God cannot overrule a soul’s will and MAKE them love Him. Since that is their choice, He will separate that soul from His presence, and away from His presence, (since they already had to bow their knee to Jesus and admit who He is), they know their choice, and it is pure rebellion! For that reason, God will treat that soul the same as Satan. The only difference is, Satan is an eternal being. The soul of man, never earned eternal life, and therefore, will die, second death, and cease to exist, and be burnt up in the Lake of Fire.

    #777275

    Thanks for this teaching.

    What I see and understand is that when we accept Jesus, we accept the gift of eternal life from God. If we do not accept what Jesus did by his death, we do not accept his salvation, nor His free gift of eternal life. If we don’t accept his gift, we don’t have life – AT ALL! We are “mortal” beings, until the point where we accept what Jesus did, and His salvation by dying for our sins. Then we have become “immortal” beings, and have eternal life, but not before this point in time.

    Even John 3:16 states: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

    It seems very clear here, where we get our eternal life. I was also thinking, that since we are talking about our soul (mind, will, emotions) here, which is what makes who we are as who we are, that is what will perish, and die the SECOND DEATH.

    If the physical body dies, our soul and spirit remain together, and goes either to hell or heaven in this present age, but are incapable of being separated.

    If, at the end of the age, one is judged to be “wicked”, then that person, soul and spirit, will be cast into the Lake of Fire, away from the life-giving presence of Jehovah-God. With this eternal separation from God, (just as if you separate the spirit from our earthly physical body, our physical body will die), so therefore, if the spirit man within us is separated from God, the spirit that God created for each of us, will also die, and therefore, our soul would also die. Most likely, from a sadness so great, it would overwhelm our spirit and soul, and then whatever was left, would be consumed in the fires of the Lake of Fire.

    Yes, that is a merciful God. I can understand now all the more why God states that He desires that none would perish, but to inherit eternal life, through what God, the creator of all, orchestrated to occur for each of His created beings to do, and that was to choose life, through His Son, Jesus.

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