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[gunstar54]

Hi LU…

Still here, just busy again…I’ll get back to you shortly…GS

[gunstar54]

Hi Lightenup
As to whether Christ is ‘eternal’ I’d have to look at some more passages…The first being John 1:1…As you say He was there in the beginning…Thing is, Almighty God does not have a beginning so we are talking about the beginning or entry of something or someone else…A ‘Firstborn of all Creation’ would seem to fit this scenario better…
In Micah 5, the prophet states… 2 “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”
Other translators use the word origins in place of goings forth…
In 1 Timothy 6, Paul writes this: 13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which He will bring about at the proper time -He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.
Other translators also actually use God in place of He, since it in His presence that Paul gives Timothy this solemn charge…God is the ‘blessed and only Sovereign’ which also lines up with a statement made by Christ in John 17: 3 “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent”
IMO there is only one true, immortal God…He doesn’t share that distinction with anyone else, not even His first born who is the image of his father in every way…They are also ‘one’, as Jesus states, and we are supposed to be following that pattern as true believers…
In the same chapter he says, 22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
If we are one as the Father and Son are, then we will be of one spirit with them but only in purpose and procedure, not power and authority…That now rest with Christ till the end of the age. But if you read 1 Corinthians 15, you’ll note that Christ will be handing the Kingdom back over to the Father when all has been accomplished.
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24 then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27 For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28 When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.
I think you will agree, the only thing that really matters is making it through the narrow gate and being part of all this…It is to that end we should share the Scriptures and our faith in hopes of a closer walk in the Spirit and a pleasing obedience to God through Jesus, our Lord…
As always, thanks for your time…GS

[gunstar54]

Hi guys,

Sorry for the delay…Days got busier than usual…

As to the ‘our’ in Genesis, it is my belief that this refers to the spirit of Christ, the Firstborn of all Creation…

In Proverbs 8, Wisdom describes ‘herself” as the ‘first of God’s works’…In verses 24 &25, it states, ‘I was brought forth’…If you pull up your dictionary you will find a definition something like this:  ‘To be brought forth or come forth’- come out of, come out suddenly or forcefully, happen or occur as a result of something, originate, come into existence, take on form or shape.

Later, in John 16:27, Jesus says that the disciples are loved by God because they love him and ‘believe that ‘I came forth from the Father’.

In the next verse,  He states that he came forth from the Father and then came into the world…

In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul will refer to Christ as the ‘power of God and the wisdom of God…

In Colossians 2, he will state that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are ‘hidden in Christ’…

Again in Proverbs 8:30, Wisdom will claim to be a ‘master workman’ at God’s side…In my mind, it lends credence to the fact that all things were made through Him…And that we do, in fact, exist through Him…For God…(As Lightenup pointed out in I Corinthians 8:6)…

I believe the spirit that would become our Savior, came forth from the Father as the very first ‘work’ and in the exact image (or form) of God himself…

(Quotes based on the NASB)

All I have time for now…Thanks for sharing…will be back asap…

 

 

[gunstar54]

Hello all,

Just joined the forum because it seemed there were some great discussions on here…Is this thread open to everyone? I’d be interested in  participating on the plurality subject…

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