Hello Mike…Quote MikeAt any rate, this was just for warm ups.  Let's get to the scriptures.Your stand is that Jesus is God Almighty.Micah 5:4 NWT “And he will certainly stand and do shepherding in the strength of Jehovah, in the superiority of the name of Jehovah his  God. And they will certainly keep dwelling, for now he will be great as far…[Read more]

Hello Mike…In response to your last post, I've decided to break up my response into 2 different posts.  The Post following  this one  will deal with all the Creed and Eusebius stuff which you've brought up.The post following that one, will deal with the verse you brought up.I hope that is agreeable.God BlessRespectfully, Francis

Hello Mike…  Quote Francis1)… The Nicene Creed of 325 does in fact mention the Holy Spirit/Ghost. At the very end.MikeYou are correct that it does.  And I also have used the Wikipedia side by side comparison between the Nicence Creed of 325 and the  Constantinopolitan Creed of 381.  Here's what is said about the Holy Spirit in the 325 Cre…[Read more]

I apologize Asana… I guess I misread your post.  Thanks for clarfifying things.  I feel terrible now.  Please accept my apologies.  Next time I won't be so quick to judge without first making darn sure that I understand what's up.Thanks for being a gentleman.God BlessFrancis

Quote You can't argue logically with trinitarians because logic to them is EVIL . However logic when applied to the bible is SCRIPTURAL!!!!!!!!Hello betweenchristendomandjws….Your statement that logic is evil to trinitarians, is the most curious and baffling things i've read so far in this forum.  Where on earth would you get that idea from?…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 12 2010,14:36)Hi Francis and Mike,Please excuse my interruption here, but I believe the issue of concern is not the depth in which you wish to go to fully articulate the point in question, but rather the introduction of “NEW” subordinate points: these are seen as unnecessary ‘Post bloating’.These subordinate points need to be…[Read more]

Quote Hi Mike,Francis is a male, the only way he will accept an argument with you is if you first agree on terms and definitions so if you do not accept the trinity at least for the sake of argument you will not have an argument he can accept. So the idea is you have to show him the invalidity of the trinity of God by allowing it to be argued as…[Read more]

Quote Hi Francis,Did you know that the Holy Spirit wasn't even considered a member of the trinity in the original Nicene Creed of 325?  “He” wasn't mentioned as  the third member of the “Godhead” until 55 years later – in the Constantinopolitan Creed of 381.If the trinity is supposed to be scriptural and has always been; and these church fathers w…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 10 2010,12:11)Francis,This is not that difficult, for the sake of argument I will agree that God is a triune being but we only see Jesus as the Son of “GOD”So if Jesus is called the SON of this “TRIUNE BEING” is Jesus the Son of GOD (The TRIUNE BEING)?It's really not too difficult, even accepting your beliefs it is the…[Read more]

Quote FrancisSo all I can do is repeat myself and say that GOD is a Triune Being.  Which means God is composed of 3 different persons… the Father… the   Son… the Holy Spirit. MikeI don't think Francis has ever read Micah 5:4 or Ezekiel 34:24.  For these scriptures CLEARLY list Jesus as someone OTHER THAN and  LESSOR TO his God.And I won…[Read more]

Hello Asana… How are you?  I hope everything is going well for you and your family.Quote FrancisI wanted to make a clarification.  I understand that I am also making assumptions.  But my entire point is that if you set forth an argument that  does not make use of the same assumptions I am making, then you are in effect creating a strawman.  [Read more]

Hello Asana…I wanted to make a clarification.  I understand that I am also making assumptions.  But my entire point is that if you set forth an argument that does not make use of the same assumptions I am making, then you are in effect creating a strawman.  That is, you are arguing against a position that I don't hold in the first place… be…[Read more]

Hello Asana… how are you and your family?  I hope everything is going well.Quote Jesus said GOD is a SPIRIT:God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.John 4:23-25Jesus was not and is not a spirit because after he was “resurrected” what does the scripture say?Luke 24:39 (King James Version) 39Behold my…[Read more]

Hello Asana….The following are comments from Towshab and you about blood sacrifice.On Jan. 03 2008 at 06:06, Towhab wrote:  ——————————————————————————–Christians say that before Jesus died on the cross, the only true way to receive forgiveness of sins was via animal blood sacrifice. Even…[Read more]

Hello Asana…I may be gone this weekend so I can't guarantee I will be able to give you a full answer until early next week.But until then, if it will make things easier for you, then let's swap out Philippians 2:10-11 for Romans 14:11.“For it is written, As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God…[Read more]

Quote If You have no need to read the Quran, why do you insist that you can know better than Muslims when you will not even consider reading what's in the Quran, which means every word you say to a Muslim is based upon ignorance.I know what is in the Bible and The Quran but you do not yet you claim superior knowledge, it is like someone in High…[Read more]

Hello Asana…Sorry for the delay in my response.  I've been very busy.  Anyway, I hope you are doing well and I hope you had a wonderful labor day weekend.Quote Francis Therefore, the curse  Christianity… and Paul is speaking of is our lack of obedience Asana Are you saying Christ became disobedient for us? If so that would change his na…[Read more]

Amendment:  Here is where I wish I could make changes without having to add these amendments in a new post after I've posted the original post.Here is what I wrote above:Quote 1. the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc.Where in this definition does it say that a “curse” somehow alters or changes the…[Read more]

Hello Asana…Quote the doctrine of the Trinity has been stated as “the one God exists in three Persons and one substance.Debunking the trinity has been difficult for the one main reason:A trinitarian once explained it to me and I finally understood this is what he said:This is why I keep saying that the law of Identity is iron clad in logic.…[Read more]

Hello Asana…Although I usually welcome a “thanks”… I think in this particular case, it is unwarranted and a bit premature.  I would gently encourage you to read the post I submitted on the other thread in which we were discussing the Trinity.You'll find that near the end of that post, I deal directly with this concern of yours.  Apparantly y…[Read more]