Mike… it's 1 am my time and I was planning on going into work at 6:30 am.  So I'm already having to debate whether or not I'm going to do that now because it's way too late.I'll tell you one thing though… I am very glad there is another thread for others to make comments about this thread because I was able to read your comments over there to…[Read more]

Hello Ed J…Quote Hi Francis,How can you agree to disagree with an 'atheist'? Do you believe the side of the “Theist” to be in 'error'?How do you square these to opposing views (with each other) in your mind? This is the strangest conversation I've ever encountered. I have absolutely no clue what you are saying.How on earth does “agreeing to…[Read more]

Hi Keith…I have understood that you will agree to disagree… so for my benefit, there was no need to clarify. But as you have said, it seems that there are those who can never agree to disagree.  And there is a great frustration in that because everyone wants to be “vindicated” and shown to be correct in their opinion, and so it is often…[Read more]

Ed JQuote So to say to agree to disagree is unfounded and useless; you do agree then right? I never said that to agree to disagree is unfounded or useless… so this sounds like a strawman on your part.Sometimes people, being the way they are, cannot agree or cannot be persuaded to make a major paradigm shift in their thinking and opinions because…[Read more]

Ed J…Quote Do you agree that “The Truth” can be different for you, than it is for someone else? Or do you disagree?The Law of non-contradiction says that two mutually exclusive claims/truths cannot both be factually and objectively true/correct at the same time.So while it is true that everyone can claim they have “The Truth”… it is logically…[Read more]

Ed J…I am completely baffled as to why you are persisting in this argument of yours after I explained everything in PM with you.  I don't have the emails I had sent to you because I did not push the correct “tab” to ensure that a copy would be saved into my “sent items” box.But fortunately I did save one… and in your responses to me, you did…[Read more]

Hello Mike…Quote FrancisSo right off the bat, you first switched “God” for “god”… and then you sneaked in the words/sentence: Jesus is  called by the title “god”.  I never said those words and neither does Hebrews 1:8.MikeFrancis, did you know, or could you do some research before we move forward, and acknowledge or refute the two following p…[Read more]

Hi mike… How are you?  Sorry for the delay, but life got in the way and prevented me from responding earlier.  Quote MikeI understand the reasoning behind your rebuttal of my understanding of Micah 5:4.  I do not share your belief that Jesus  is God, and therefore see no time limit set in Micah for Jesus to shepherd in the strength and aut…[Read more]

Quote Hi Francis,I'm terribly sorry.  The only reason I brought up John is because my previous post basically said, “Okay Francis, I'm ready to discuss the first scripture that says Jesus is God”.  And then I realized that you had already taken the time out of your life to show me one of them in a prior post.  I felt is was bad manners of me to ha…[Read more]

Hello Mike…Quote Hi Francis,I extend my wishes for you to have a profitable new year.  I assume you know I don't refer to money, but to treasures  stored in heaven.    And thank you for the commendation.  I too invest in these debates because iron sharpens iron.  And unlike many people  who are happy to just believe what their church tells…[Read more]

Hello Mike…Before I can even get done with responding to your response which was posted on Jan. 01, 2011 at 15:18, you've already jumped in with a Post about John 8:58!!In the Forum thread: SKEPTICS PLACE » Doctrinal Disagreements » Jesus cannot be god according to jesus…. on page 3… you said in your post on Dec. 11, 2010 at 12:37 that  …[Read more]

Mike…I have been visiting a couple of debates you've had with others in here.  I have to say that you are an intelligent person and you should not be taken lightly in a discussion/debate.  I can see that I'm going to have to be very careful.I know that you appreciate the fact that I disagree with you and that neither of us are under any d…[Read more]

Hi Mike… I hope things are going well for you.  I want to wish you and your loved ones a Happy New Year.Quote francisNow… where in Micah 5:4 does it say that the Messiah DOES NOT have a DIVINE spirit inside of his earthly body?MikeHi Francis,Why do you assume Micah 5:4 refers ONLY to “EARTHLY JESUS”?  Is Jesus not still our Shepherd?  1.  W…[Read more]

Hello Mike…Quote FrancisI can see that  I made a few errors even though I tried hard to proof read what I wrote.  I wish I could correct the  mistakes once i've submitted by post, but I don't know how.  I also noticed that my post must have exceed the capacity  because it was cut off… so  I will have to finish my post in 2 parts.Sorry for t…[Read more]

Hi Mike…I just spotted another typing mistake I had made.Here was what I had originally written in one of the segments:THEREFORE… For all the above reasons, I reject your understanding of what the intended meaning was for the Greek word Harpagmos used by NIV, and translated by them as “grasped”.  It doesn't logically follow that just because…[Read more]

Hi Mike…when I use the term Orthodox Christianity… I am using it in the sense of traditional Christianity.But I don't want that to be a stumbling block or a cause for division… so if you prefer, I will not use that term.God BlessFrancis

The following were two sections I wish I could have been able to fix without reposting them.Quote FrancisHebrews 2:9 (Amplified Bible)But we are able to see Jesus, Who was ranked lower than the angels for a little while, crowned with glory and honor because of His having suffered death, in order that by the grace (unmerited favor) of God He might…[Read more]

part 2 of my post from aboveQuote Mike  Then I let myself get sidetracked.  So, can you show me SCRIPTURAL information that disproves my understanding of it???  You never gave me your rational arguments in support of your contention that Micah 5:4 is proof that Jesus is someone other than God.  You just stated  your belief.  So I can't answe…[Read more]

I can see that I made a few errors even though I tried hard to proof read what I wrote. I wish I could correct the mistakes once i've submitted by post, but I don't know how. I also noticed that my post must have exceed the capacity because it was cut off… so I will have to finish my post in 2 parts.Sorry for the inconvenience.

Hello Mike… I hope you and your loved ones had a wonderful and blessed Christmas.Sorry for the delay, but as you can well imagine, it's been busy around here because of the holiday.Quote FrancisFirst of all…  It has ALWAYS been taught by Orthodox Christianity that Jesus… the Divine part of Jesus… had temporarily and voluntarily submitted…[Read more]